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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am

15% YOY Ridership Growth in Q1 2019. We are on track to do 2.4 Million rides in 2019.

Jan-March 2019: 449,646 Rides. (4,996 per day?)
Jan-March 2018: 390,469 Rides. (4,338 per day?)
Jan-March 2017: 398,672 Rides. (4,429 per day?)

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Riverite » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:26 pm

Wasn’t it terrible weather in KC all winter. That would make it even more impressive

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:55 pm

Riverite wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:26 pm
Wasn’t it terrible weather in KC all winter. That would make it even more impressive
Yes, it was one of the coldest and longest winters on record.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:21 pm

normalthings wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:55 pm
Riverite wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:26 pm
Wasn’t it terrible weather in KC all winter. That would make it even more impressive
Yes, it was one of the coldest and longest winters on record.
Not even close on coldest.
I checked for days with a high or low above the average

Dec had 23 days over the average
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/kansa ... =12/1/2018

Warmer in Jan at 19 days
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/kansa ... her/329441

Feb skewed colder with only 11 over the average
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/kansa ... r=2/1/2019

Mar was warmer with 18 days above average
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/kansa ... r=3/1/2019

It snowed a lot this year and the temperature went up and down, but I’m not sure the snowfall either was near a record. In Mar 1912 there was four feet of snow and the whole season was 71”.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:46 pm

^^^ by coldest I am referring to longest stretch of time without temperatures above 65 degrees. I guess it’s an arbitrary stat but it’s what Nationals Weather Service has been using this year.

My comment was a poor choice. However, winter 2018-2019 was much worse than 2016-2017 and 2017-2018

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:06 pm

65? That shows just how warm winters are these days.

The historic average temperature doesn’t get over 65 after mid October. two months before winter.

They’re basically counting the days since early autumn. It’s not expected to be anywhere near that warm in winter unless they’re finally trying to find a new standard to redefine the seasons for climate change where everything is warmer.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by WoodDraw » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:17 pm

No matter what metric you use, it was a brutal winter. More than normal which made it hard to walk around and also lots of snow that just wouldn't melt.

I'm not sure there is a good metric for downtown weather. Need something that combines cold with non-melting snow and ice.

It can be cold for twenty days straight and people will deal, but you add weather to that and it's a different story.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:39 am

This winter sucked.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:06 pm

flyingember wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:00 pm
flyingember wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:53 am
We're probably right around the 9 month point to the new trains. I would guess at this point that it would take a major delay to take more than 10-11 months.
Probably right around the six month mark until delivery.
Roughly the four month point until delivery if everything is on track (pun intended).

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:01 pm

I had a pretty high up city employee tell me that the streetcar is bankrupting the city. :lol: [-X

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:04 pm

They spend more annually on parking garage debt service (~$17 million last year!) than they spend on all of streetcar (~$10 million), including debt service and operations. At least the streetcar uses dedicated funding (TDD + 1/2-cent transit sales tax), while all of the parking debt service comes from the general fund.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:30 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:04 pm
They spend more annually on parking garage debt service (~$17 million last year!) than they spend on all of streetcar (~$10 million), including debt service and operations. At least the streetcar uses dedicated funding (TDD + 1/2-cent transit sales tax), while all of the parking debt service comes from the general fund.
The real kicker is that they work in the City Finance Department.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:18 pm

Theoretically, if the city defaulted on the bonds they chose to back I suppose it would be a political problem, but at a peak of $63 million it's probably nowhere near bankrupting a $1.7 billion enterprise (especially since the TDD generates an annual surplus and has multiple reserve accounts to protect debt service, capital, and operations).

In short, that person is, at worst, a liar... or, at best, full of hyperbole.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Mon May 06, 2019 9:02 pm

flyingember wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:06 pm
flyingember wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:00 pm
flyingember wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:53 am
We're probably right around the 9 month point to the new trains. I would guess at this point that it would take a major delay to take more than 10-11 months.
Probably right around the six month mark until delivery.
Roughly the four month point until delivery if everything is on track (pun intended).
About three months to go for the new trains if everything is on schedule.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by swid » Wed May 08, 2019 12:12 pm

805 is arriving next week (per this KC Streetcar Twitter post)

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by earthling » Wed May 08, 2019 12:18 pm

Will 4 cars run more often regularly or will more cars only be used for high traffic events?

Separately, have we reached the point to propose zero public street parking along most of the line? Maybe start with snow days only, which seem to have the worst poor parking problems blocking streetcars.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by normalthings » Wed May 08, 2019 1:09 pm

We are roughly on track to do 2.2-2.4 million rides this year(~8.5% YoY Growth). 2019 Average Daily Ridership(through April) is at ~5,185; 14.5% YoY increase from 2018’s 4,529.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by WoodDraw » Wed May 08, 2019 1:17 pm

It's all been very impressive. Excited for the new streetcar.

I know they have no power, but it would be so helpful to reduce main car traffic.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCtoBrooklyn » Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm

For comparison, the Cincinnati Streetcar did 36,333 in April. YTD, Cinci's total is 118,884 (991 per day) vs 622,310 for KC.

Milwaukee had a glitch that caused them to lose ridership data for February and half of March. In January, they had 49,501 - 1,597 per day

OKC had 102,500 through March - 1,139 per day.

St Louis's Loop Trolley had a total of 4,259 tickets sold over it's first 4 months.

Tampa's streetcar recently switched to free and their ridership has tripled. March was their biggest month ever at 99,675. It looks like they have been averaging roughly 2,500 per day since the switch last October.

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