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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Midtownkid » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:26 am

I'm still holding out hope that some day the zones that are blocked off along the Main streetcar line with plastic barriers will be replaced with concrete curbs & planting beds. Those plastic barriers are ugly (and will look more tired with age). If those spaces truly are no-go-zones then lets make them permanent and pretty!

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:15 am

Midtownkid wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:26 am
I'm still holding out hope that some day the zones that are blocked off along the Main streetcar line with plastic barriers will be replaced with concrete curbs & planting beds. Those plastic barriers are ugly (and will look more tired with age). If those spaces truly are no-go-zones then lets make them permanent and pretty!
the plastic barriers are called flex bollards. there's also fancier bollards that can be put in made of concrete. using standing planters is another option

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Midtownkid » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:23 pm

I'm thinking of something that is permanent, not a movable planter or bollard. I literally want to see landscaped medians and sidewalk bumpouts that mimic the current flex bollard layout. Yeah, they would be a little odd shaped, but that wouldn't bother me.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:11 pm

A non movable planter is called a permanent planter.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:29 pm

Go look at the federal courthouse for a permanent bollard. they're not movable since they're designed to stop a vehicle from getting close post-OK City bombing

there's plenty of places actual bump outs makes sense but not everywhere. I can find places across the city where adding bike parking would be as easy as a few bollards.

starting with flex for quick installation and moving to concrete over time isn't a bad idea

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by im2kull » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:06 am

flyingember wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:30 pm
mean wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:17 pm
I see an awful lot of other illegal stuff happen every day, too. If only things being illegal actually stopped people from doing them! Gosh, what a world that would be.
I kind of wonder if it's

cheaper to pour concrete and completely block parking
vs
the cost to drill a hole, buy a sign, place a sign and then hire someone to ticket people who ignore the sign.
vs
flex bollard placement and replacement

because code has a 20 foot from corner rule that's widely ignored. in the same sense there doesn't need to be a center turn lane where there's no curb cuts.
It's cheaper to enforce the law.

You also happen to make money by doing that. 👌

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Midtownkid » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:43 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:11 pm
A non movable planter is called a permanent planter.
Oh! thank you for that! Gee I never would have know that without your excellent input! :roll:

I don't think it should just be a big planter, permanent or not. It should look like an extension of the sidewalk. Remove the un-used street.

This rendering somewhat shows what I'm talking about. See that little green space between the streetcar and the street?

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Another example

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by smh » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:15 am

Yes Please! Though we need to sort out who is going to maintain because right now we are awful and landscape maintenance.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:00 am

I hope the joke wasn't lost.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by wahoowa » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:28 am

pocket parks thread part ii!!

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:46 am

smh wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:15 am
Yes Please! Though we need to sort out who is going to maintain because right now we are awful and landscape maintenance.
Bushes would be easier to maintain than grass. Have to mow every other week at times but you can prune a bush twice a year tops
Hardscapes with sculptures.
Fancy fencing or textured walls.


The Muse of Missouri is a good example on a large scale.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:40 pm

North Loop shelter construction progress:

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:06 am

Do we know the least used stop? My guess would be north bound north loop or northbound performing arts center.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:41 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:06 am
Do we know the least used stop? My guess would be north bound north loop or northbound performing arts center.
North Loop, then Kauffman, but North Loop is used way more than the initial estimates indicated.

Check slide 12: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... esults.pdf

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:49 pm

Oh yeah I remember that slideshow now. Very cool visualizations

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by langosta » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:39 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:41 am
KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:06 am
Do we know the least used stop? My guess would be north bound north loop or northbound performing arts center.
North Loop, then Kauffman, but North Loop is used way more than the initial estimates indicated.

Check slide 12: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... esults.pdf
Would we ever consider removing a stop?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:19 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:41 am
KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:06 am
Do we know the least used stop? My guess would be north bound north loop or northbound performing arts center.
North Loop, then Kauffman, but North Loop is used way more than the initial estimates indicated.

Check slide 12: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... esults.pdf
original estimates for a weekday

Grand 51
Delaware. 43
Walnut. 25
8th 208
10th 499
12th 811
14th 248
16th 84
18th 141
20th 243
US. 333

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:33 pm

langosta wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:39 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:41 am
KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:06 am
Do we know the least used stop? My guess would be north bound north loop or northbound performing arts center.
North Loop, then Kauffman, but North Loop is used way more than the initial estimates indicated.

Check slide 12: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... esults.pdf
Would we ever consider removing a stop?
If the system expands a lot more, sure. Portland has done it to improve travel times.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by scooterj » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:14 am

I remember once questioning why the North Loop stop was needed. It has since become the stop I use the most.

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