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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:32 pm
by swid
"Property located in dense commercial districts and wealthier residential neighborhoods is considered to be 'more valuable' on a per-unit of area basis than property located elsewhere; film at 11."

(Edit - sniped, but I'm just here for the property tax rant that is almost certainly being queued up by the question.)

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:48 pm
by smh
swid wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:32 pm
"Property located in dense commercial districts and wealthier residential neighborhoods is considered to be 'more valuable' on a per-unit of area basis than property located elsewhere; film at 11."

(Edit - sniped, but I'm just here for the property tax rant that is almost certainly being queued up by the question.)
:lol: :lol:

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:56 pm
by normalthings
Steve52 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:14 pm
What in the hell is this supposed to mean? Image
It means that there aren't really any areas outside of the RM-Plaza corridor that can support a streetcar TDD. Brookside-Waldo-Wardparkway is probably a runner up just doesn't have the density/property values.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:57 pm
by Steve52
swid wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:32 pm
"Property located in dense commercial districts and wealthier residential neighborhoods is considered to be 'more valuable' on a per-unit of area basis than property located elsewhere; film at 11."

(Edit - sniped, but I'm just here for the property tax rant that is almost certainly being queued up by the question.)
Yes taxes are so incredibly popular among the public here that 8,600 emails to the county managed to remain unread at the assessors office to kick off the New Year.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:12 pm
by smh
It also suggests how we really aren't generating a return on the masses of infrastructure required to get people out of the city. The value is in the core.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
by missingkc
A decent swath of the Northland is surprisingly high. Barry/I29 area, I guess. I wonder what NKC would look like.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:10 pm
by Steve52
smh wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:12 pm
It also suggests how we really aren't generating a return on the masses of infrastructure required to get people out of the city. The value is in the core.

What do you mean "get people out of the city". I thought the idea of all this was to attempt to attract people to live in the urban core.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:30 pm
by normalthings
Steve52 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:10 pm
smh wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:12 pm
It also suggests how we really aren't generating a return on the masses of infrastructure required to get people out of the city. The value is in the core.

What do you mean "get people out of the city". I thought the idea of all this was to attempt to attract people to live in the urban core.
He means highways, et al

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:17 am
by flyingember
missingkc wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
A decent swath of the Northland is surprisingly high. Barry/I29 area, I guess. I wonder what NKC would look like.
The Burlington Creek area of 64th has two five story developments, a street of duplexes and triplexes.
It doesn't take much to increase the density of an area when you do a new projects at this scale in a new area

Follow the 152 corridor between Amity and I-35 and you have low density single family but there's also ~40 denser suburban developments and apartment complexes.

Duplexes and triplexes help, there's a few developments of those south of 72nd.

If we could take right along N. Oak and do frontage infill development mostly with 6-7 story apartment homes above retail you could add thousands of people with TOD principles without it being so dense NIMBYs come out. 64th and N. Oak is a great starting point for this between the extra parking and empty lot.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:28 am
by alejandro46
flyingember wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:17 am
missingkc wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
A decent swath of the Northland is surprisingly high. Barry/I29 area, I guess. I wonder what NKC would look like.
If we could take right along N. Oak and do frontage infill development mostly with 6-7 story apartment homes above retail you could add thousands of people with TOD principles without it being so dense NIMBYs come out. 64th and N. Oak is a great starting point for this between the extra parking and empty lot.
We are getting off topic a bit, but in Streetcar Phase 3 thread I proposed North Oak as an alignment in the future. I think it makes the most sense and has car lots, washes, and dilapidated buildings with a ton of dense development potential. The distance from HOA bridge to the intersection of Barry Road and North Oak is 10miles BUT the biggest hurdle is getting across HOA bridge - a $30m challenge that really is going to be tough without state/fed help.