Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Grid, KCATA is in the process of redesigning its bus system. There are also serious efforts to put forward a more regional system. The current streetcar adjacent service has to reflect the budget level and needs of today. But I honestly think that a tax will pass making additional funds available for transit, etc.

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Grand is easily the easiest, highest frequency street to get bus service on within downtown

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kboish wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:34 pm
Grand is easily the easiest, highest frequency street to get bus service on within downtown
The goal of KCATA within the last five years was to have a bus about every 2 minutes between River and Crown Center.

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KCPowercat wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:25 pm
Dave might fly all the way out there to smack your face with talk like that :)

Bus service has definitely improved. I'm sure there is data to back that up.
We'll know more after the redesign. It primary goal was to stem the loss in ridership (while retaining as much KCMO coverage as possible).

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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normalthings wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:32 pm
Grid, KCATA is in the process of redesigning its bus system. There are also serious efforts to put forward a more regional system. The current streetcar adjacent service has to reflect the budget level and needs of today. But I honestly think that a tax will pass making additional funds available for transit, etc.
I always thought the streetcar was a totally independent self funded system from the rest of the ata. Grand still needs so much attention and I just think a high quality transit line there (not just a place where a lot of bus routes go down) is ideal to improve Grand and get Crown Center more tied to Downtown with infrastructure (bus lanes, cycle path, landscaping etc.)

Maybe someday I guess.

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Would imagine that as housing/population densifies along the entire expanded streetcar stretch, there will eventually be a desire for an overlaying express MAX line as well with few stops (and extended further N/S than streetcar). So don't see it happening until years after streetcar opens if at all, but it would be ideal. The core stretch of City would justify it at some point. The streetcar to me is highly effective as a local service, not commuter/express and it shouldn't try to become the latter.

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Also you wonder what the need for the express bus is as the technical memo for streetcar predicts a 13.5 minute running time between UMKC and Union Station.

Also assumes 14k riders/day by 2037, fwiw.

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DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 pm

We'll know more after the redesign. It primary goal was to stem the loss in ridership (while retaining as much KCMO coverage as possible).
Really?

Overlay the redesign onto the map in this article. We’re adding service to areas that are shrinking and reducing it in areas that are growing, it’s no wonder ridership is declining

https://www.flatlandkc.org/people-place ... nsas-city/

The biggest lost opportunity is the lack of high frequency northland service. And not even far away, areas like Crestview and along Vivion Rd. Lack of service to new jobs areas like Riverside and increasing service into downtown with fewer jobs than 20 years ago

64116 is one of the most diverse zip codes economically, with tens of thousands of jobs and it doesn’t have better than every 60 off peak on the weekend. There isn’t a one seat bus ride from Indep Ave 15 minutes away from NKC

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flyingember wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:14 am
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 pm

We'll know more after the redesign. It primary goal was to stem the loss in ridership (while retaining as much KCMO coverage as possible).
Really?

Overlay the redesign onto the map in this article. We’re adding service to areas that are shrinking and reducing it in areas that are growing, it’s no wonder ridership is declining

https://www.flatlandkc.org/people-place ... nsas-city/

The biggest lost opportunity is the lack of high frequency northland service. And not even far away, areas like Crestview and along Vivion Rd. Lack of service to new jobs areas like Riverside and increasing service into downtown with fewer jobs than 20 years ago

64116 is one of the most diverse zip codes economically, with tens of thousands of jobs and it doesn’t have better than every 60 off peak on the weekend. There isn’t a one seat bus ride from Indep Ave 15 minutes away from NKC
What's the population density in the northland areas you describe? The northland is growing, but not in a transit-friendly way from my observation, making it difficult if not impossible to justify frequent service. Curious what your take is on this.

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