maybe they can start walking, biking, and public transitting to and from work[/quote]ldai_phs wrote:
Yeah, cause even if someone had a death wish and wants to ride in KC traffic and all jobs easily accessible on our HUGE transportation system.
maybe they can start walking, biking, and public transitting to and from work[/quote]ldai_phs wrote:
I've seen nothing to suggest no left turns throughout midtown.beautyfromashes wrote:It’s going to be terrible for traffic in Midtown and I don’t trust that ‘experts’ have it figured out. No left turns on all of Main will be a mess for residents. How is someone going south on Main supposed to get to their home in Hyde Park or going North get to a home west of Main? You’re creating a SW Trafficway type barrier. But, I get the feeling that those in charge don’t really care. They talk about commute tunes but really their talking about their own commute times or are more worried about getting quickly from DT to shopping on The Plaza. Not saying I’m against the streetcar, just that residents concerns are being listened to but not a deciding factor in design.scooterj wrote: I just don't understand how no one else sees that this is setting up for a scenario that is no different from what is currently happening from Truman to 11th with all the garage entrances.
it wouldn't really matter if you did or didn't see them. people who live off SW Tfwy have lived with no left turns for decades and they get around fineKCPowercat wrote:I've seen nothing to suggest no left turns throughout midtown.beautyfromashes wrote:It’s going to be terrible for traffic in Midtown and I don’t trust that ‘experts’ have it figured out. No left turns on all of Main will be a mess for residents. How is someone going south on Main supposed to get to their home in Hyde Park or going North get to a home west of Main? You’re creating a SW Trafficway type barrier. But, I get the feeling that those in charge don’t really care. They talk about commute tunes but really their talking about their own commute times or are more worried about getting quickly from DT to shopping on The Plaza. Not saying I’m against the streetcar, just that residents concerns are being listened to but not a deciding factor in design.scooterj wrote: I just don't understand how no one else sees that this is setting up for a scenario that is no different from what is currently happening from Truman to 11th with all the garage entrances.
Can =/= will.DaveKCMO wrote:You can still calm BKS BLVD without the streetcar.
It’s my understanding that the CCROW routing is only for the section south of Volker. I’m with you on the benefits of having a center running alignment and platform at 47th/CleaverII/Main/BKS. I just think running the streetcar on BKS south of there would do a lot to slow traffic from its current average of 55mph between 51st and Brush Creek. But I also kind of philosophically believe the streetcar should run on the trolley track right of way.beautyfromashes wrote:I kind of like center running for the south section. Eliminating the medians at 47th will cut down on the excessive panhandling in that area. I’ve seen ‘turf wars’ at the intersections there with people trying to get the ‘prime spot’.chingon wrote:
I’m torn. I like the CCROW because that is indeed what it’s for, but few streets in town need road calming more than that stretch of Brookside “Boulevard”.
I doubt they will move from their determination one iota, regardless.KCPowercat wrote:I think getting it on the CCROW would help validate to #savetrolleytrail peoople that they can coexist very well.
Was suggested a few posts up so responding to that, and haven’t heard that left turns will still be in play, especially with it looking like Midtown will be center-running. Dave will have to answer that.KCPowercat wrote:
I've seen nothing to suggest no left turns throughout midtown.
Yes, but all of those that are open have rescricted turn both morning and evening. So, for 4+ hours a day there would be no left turn anywhere from The Plaza to DT, similar to SE Trafficway. You could potentially be cutting off Hyde Park from Main southbound traffic and Old Hyde Park from northbound traffic. Or, you could have the stupid right turn then U-turn like in SW Trafficway to go west.KCPowercat wrote:The maps show multiple spaces for a middle turn lane.
Perhaps. Seems like a pretty easy question to answer. Maybe, Dave will let us know where left turns will be allowed along the line for each intersection and what other time of day restrictions there will be for those intersection. The cut in lanes will be a headache for Midtown residents but should push increased traffic to roads like Broadway and Troost. It’s probably worth the pain for increased safety when walking and biking. I just would hate for Main to be totally unusable for residents because they can’t get to their houses due to left turn rules.KCPowercat wrote:Seems like a lot of assumptions being made
I feel like arguing over potentially reducing car transit times for the workers of 1 office building by 1-3minutes when building a major rail transit line is a bit sad.beautyfromashes wrote:ldai_phs wrote:Yeah, cause even if someone had a death wish and wants to ride in KC traffic and all jobs easily accessible on our HUGE transportation system.maybe they can start walking, biking, and public transitting to and from work
Yeah, I don't see the big deal with restricting left turns. Even if they restrict them, Main will still have more left turn access than a major suburban arterial does. It's very common for busy streets in urban areas to have only a few place that allow left turns. KC has a lot of road capacity. I have worked in traffic engineering for a long time and my opinion is that you can give Main a road diet with no problems. None of the major roads in urban KC are remotely congested even during the peak 30 minutes of rush hour. Even SW Trafficway which carries the most volume, is never really congested to the point that is creates delays of more than a minute.missingkc wrote:Route redundancy is abundant in old KC. Coming south from downtown on Main and can't turn left into Hyde Park? You'll learn to take Gillham. Coming north from the Plaza on Main and can't turn left into Old Hyde Park? You'll learn to take Broadway. Not a big deal.
Yeah, but put the streetcar on the curb and it isn’t a problem at all. Instead, we put it in the middle so we don’t have to worry about Ubers having a place to park on Main?GRID wrote: Yeah, I don't see the big deal with restricting left turns.
Center Running is faster and has less delays. Real Light Rail like in Houston run in dedicated center lanes. We should do the same imho.beautyfromashes wrote:Yeah, but put the streetcar on the curb and it isn’t a problem at all. Instead, we put it in the middle so we don’t have to worry about Ubers having a place to park on Main?GRID wrote: Yeah, I don't see the big deal with restricting left turns.