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Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:51 pm
by DaveKCMO
earthling wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:28 pm
^And statistically speaking you have a higher chance of being crushed to death on a road that has a dozen bus lines vs Walnut that has maybe 1 line and fewer cars.
You ride the bus too and know there are some drivers who behave like they've got the bigger vehicle so expect everyone else to be defensive as they don't have to be.
Where is this crash data you speak of?
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:56 pm
by earthling
I'm speaking statistical chances of course, based on known bus activity.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:39 pm
by mean
Speaking statistical chances but not citing statistics, more formally known as making stuff up?
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:54 am
by earthling
Very specific. Am talking probability. 12-13 bus lines go down Grand vs 1 bus line that goes down Walnut. Which would you choose. Astoundingly poor choice to choose a bike path for the road that has the most bus lines. How is this even debatable. Suspect if planners even considered bus traffic, a major issue for cyclists.
Multi bus lines and cyclists do not mix...
https://sabotagetimes.com/life/confessi ... yclist-war
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 am
by flyingember
No, it’s not a poor choice.
There’s 12-13 bus lines worth of riders who need a method to get from the bus to their final destination. The system should cut stops to speed up service. We should expect some people to get off the bus and ride to their destination. The bus can’t carry enough bikes so moving towards a system where the bus pass covers a rental ebike for the last few blocks would be smarter than trying to provide bus service to all of downtown.
The next stage should be adding connecting lanes into Grand and put lanes on a perpindicular street
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:45 am
by shinatoo
flyingember wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 am
No, it’s not a poor choice.
There’s 12-13 bus lines worth of riders who need a method to get from the bus to their final destination. The system should cut stops to speed up service. We should expect some people to get off the bus and ride to their destination. The bus can’t carry enough bikes so moving towards a system where the bus pass covers a rental ebike for the last few blocks would be smarter than trying to provide bus service to all of downtown.
The next stage should be adding connecting lanes into Grand and put lanes on a perpindicular street
Have you ever ridden a city bus? I'm guessing 20% of the people i see on the bus couldn't ride a bike because of some type of disability.
Any good transit system needs a mix of options. Local with many stops and express with fewer (MAX and Streecar). Walnut AND Grand should be bike friendly.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:10 am
by flyingember
So 80% could bike.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:39 am
by shinatoo
Yes. You are demonstrating excellent math and reading skills.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:12 am
by mean
I would probably prefer to share the road with professional and definitely insured bus drivers than random citizens who may or may not be drunk, insured, high, texting, etc.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:35 am
by taxi
mean wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:12 am
I would probably prefer to share the road with professional and definitely insured bus drivers than random citizens who may or may not be drunk, insured, high, texting, etc.
Have you ever been to NYC?
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:49 am
by mean
Yes, although I've never ridden a bike there.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:28 pm
by taxi
The bus drivers are crazy.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:45 pm
by earthling
Am in NYC at the moment. My younger brother uses Citi Bike daily (annual pass holder) and at times hits one of the top 10 ridership in all of NY - and has had bike/vehicle accidents. He also agreed that putting a bike lane on a road with 12+ bus lines is ridiculous unless entirely protected, which Grand isn't. Is rather amusing to hear some here defend it.
Heading to Nancy Whiskey Pub to meet up with him for HH...
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:19 pm
by grovester
That settles it then!
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 pm
by earthling
/boozeinducedselfrighteousdickmodegivenitsjustabadidea
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:22 am
by town cow
Bike lanes or not, I stay off of Grand if possible.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:44 am
by Riverite
I always preferred Wyandotte personally
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:00 am
by DaveKCMO
The good news is you can bike on ALL of the streets. It's your choice!
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:40 am
by taxi
2 wheels good, 4 wheels baaaaaaad.
Re: Bike Lanes
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:36 pm
by grovester
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:09 pm
New bike lanes on Armour Road in North Kansas City:
Someone please tell me they are not actually going to tear this out.