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phuqueue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 pm I mean, kull seems to be whining about perceived shaming/fearmongering, which did happen last year around the Ozarks party, Sturgis, etc. That article is reporting an actual increase in cases immediately following Sturgis, and I wouldn't characterize that reporting as "hypocritical," since Provincetown was reported on the same way a few months ago. It's also not really right to compare mixed indoor/outdoor events that take place over a number of days, like Sturgis (or Provincetown), to fully outdoor activities that are one-off events, like a baseball or football game or concert, but kull has never really been one for arguing in good faith (see also how he expanded my list of fully outdoor events that are comparatively safe to also include "crowded bars," but it is not worthwhile to dwell on things like this with him).

The pandemic has taken a devastating toll on police departments across the country. COVID-19 is now killing more law enforcement officers than any other threat they face in the line of duty — 716 officers have died since March 2020, according to the Fraternal Order of Police.
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We just looked at a house for our son with the seller names being a young boy and a girl Trust. The parents are deceased. Get vaccinated.

Goonies wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:23 am What's the word on Jackson co and KCMO extending the mask mandate IIRC KCMO has to vote on it every month?

Goonies wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:19 pm Good to see KC will be dropping the stupid mask mandate for those over 18

flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:20 am NYC saw the police union claim 10,000 cops would walk out over the vaccine mandate

The local court upheld the requirement

The initial number: 34

phuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:21 pm

flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:20 am NYC saw the police union claim 10,000 cops would walk out over the vaccine mandate

The local court upheld the requirement

The initial number: 34

Supposedly that stat is a little misleading, as 6500 cops still have pending applications for exemptions, so it remains to be seen how many might still walk out when their bullshit applications are inevitably rejected.

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:03 pm

phuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:21 pm

flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:20 am NYC saw the police union claim 10,000 cops would walk out over the vaccine mandate

The local court upheld the requirement

The initial number: 34

Supposedly that stat is a little misleading, as 6500 cops still have pending applications for exemptions, so it remains to be seen how many might still walk out when their bullshit applications are inevitably rejected.

Most of them being submitted as religious exemptions, I’m interested to see if anyone has the gall to take up that fight, it’ll devolve into a 1st amendment constitutional fight for sure.

earthling wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:15 pm ^There was a hospital in Arkansas that took an amusing approach for employees refusing vax that if your'e going to use the religious card based on stem cell research, then you are not allowed to take the couple dozen+ other common over counter drugs that came about due to stem cell research - most likely already do.

OTOH the White House is taking wrong approach with the 'mandate' terminology and could widely lose next mid-term and Pres spot due to approach. The White House should promote this as 'options', the option to take either vaccine or weekly testing. Not wise to use mandate term. If literally being required to shoot your body up with a drug with no options, that would imply the govt owns your body. But that' wasn't intent and easy to understand why the right and even indie moderates interpret it that way. The hardest pro-vaxrs would love to make it a true requirement with no options but Biden/WH are making a mistake not clearly making the optional distinction and are setting a path to lose the next two elections. And meanwhile based on WH 'mandate' term, many blue states/cities are making it a true mandate in some cases not understanding the Biden/WH intentions of 'options'. Generally, they are pushing it a bit too far with Fed employees, should be optional testing for existing Fed employees, required vax for newly hired is fine.

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:43 pm

earthling wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:15 pm ^There was a hospital in Arkansas that took an amusing approach for employees refusing vax that if your'e going to use the religious card based on stem cell research, then you are not allowed to take the couple dozen+ other common over counter drugs that came about due to stem cell research - most likely already do.

OTOH the White House is taking wrong approach with the 'mandate' terminology and could widely lose next mid-term and Pres spot due to approach. The White House should promote this as 'options', the option to take either vaccine or weekly testing. Not wise to use mandate term. If literally being required to shoot your body up with a drug with no options, that would imply the govt owns your body. But that' wasn't intent and easy to understand why the right and even indie moderates interpret it that way. The hardest pro-vaxrs would love to make it a true requirement with no options but Biden/WH are making a mistake not clearly making the optional distinction and are setting a path to lose the next two elections. And meanwhile based on WH 'mandate' term, many blue states/cities are making it a true mandate in some cases not understanding the Biden/WH intentions of 'options'. Generally, they are pushing it a bit too far with Fed employees, should be optional testing for existing Fed employees, required vax for newly hired is fine.

This all the way. They are 100% shooting themselves in the foot for the future. Had the messaging been clear from the start that it wasn’t a true “mandate” in the simplest of terms I sincerely doubt you’d see such hostile resistance to this. I like to keep my self fairly independent as I support stances from both sides, but I did have concern with the messaging and approach the current administration made here.

grovester wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:20 pm

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:43 pm

earthling wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:15 pm ^There was a hospital in Arkansas that took an amusing approach for employees refusing vax that if your'e going to use the religious card based on stem cell research, then you are not allowed to take the couple dozen+ other common over counter drugs that came about due to stem cell research - most likely already do.

OTOH the White House is taking wrong approach with the 'mandate' terminology and could widely lose next mid-term and Pres spot due to approach. The White House should promote this as 'options', the option to take either vaccine or weekly testing. Not wise to use mandate term. If literally being required to shoot your body up with a drug with no options, that would imply the govt owns your body. But that' wasn't intent and easy to understand why the right and even indie moderates interpret it that way. The hardest pro-vaxrs would love to make it a true requirement with no options but Biden/WH are making a mistake not clearly making the optional distinction and are setting a path to lose the next two elections. And meanwhile based on WH 'mandate' term, many blue states/cities are making it a true mandate in some cases not understanding the Biden/WH intentions of 'options'. Generally, they are pushing it a bit too far with Fed employees, should be optional testing for existing Fed employees, required vax for newly hired is fine.

This all the way. They are 100% shooting themselves in the foot for the future. Had the messaging been clear from the start that it wasn’t a true “mandate” in the simplest of terms I sincerely doubt you’d see such hostile resistance to this. I like to keep my self fairly independent as I support stances from both sides, but I did have concern with the messaging and approach the current administration made here.

It is a vaccine or test situation.

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying ... ne-or-test

or is it just the word mandate that is the problem?