Re: COVID19
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:42 am
The IRS facility in downtown KC dropped the mask requirement for fully vaccinated folks as of Tuesday evening.
^Given Sinovac is apparently most commonly used outside US/Europe and reports coming out it's not very effective with Delta as well as less effective with S American Lambda variant, we probably have a long term problem. Need to throw countless billions at developing in-home pill treatments as well, and some may be available by end of year. If we can't beat COVID (few virus experts really believe we can), at least focus on treatments that prevent death and hospital stays. Expecting most of planet to vax every 6-8 months is going to be a problem, which is what Pfizer seems to be suggesting given rise of Delta in heavily Pfizer vaccinated Israel, about 1/2 of new cases infecting those fully vaccinated.
I'm astounded how many people simply don't understand virology. Especially with Influenza being so prevalent every year. You'd think they'd all have figured it out by now...earthling wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:04 pm From other thread...^Given Sinovac is apparently most commonly used outside US/Europe and reports coming out it's not very effective with Delta as well as less effective with S American Lambda variant, we probably have a long term problem. Need to throw countless billions at developing in-home pill treatments as well, and some may be available by end of year. If we can't beat COVID (few virus experts really believe we can), at least focus on treatments that prevent death and hospital stays. Expecting most of planet to vax every 6-8 months is going to be a problem, which is what Pfizer seems to be suggesting given rise of Delta in heavily Pfizer vaccinated Israel, about 1/2 of new cases infecting those fully vaccinated.
As far as construction supply issues from other thread, we're probably just going to have to learn to live with COVID, use defenses as realistically feasible/deployable and move on with being productive and living life.
Morbid, to the point, fairly realistic. Solid takeim2kull wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:37 amI'm astounded how many people simply don't understand virology. Especially with Influenza being so prevalent every year. You'd think they'd all have figured it out by now...earthling wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:04 pm From other thread...^Given Sinovac is apparently most commonly used outside US/Europe and reports coming out it's not very effective with Delta as well as less effective with S American Lambda variant, we probably have a long term problem. Need to throw countless billions at developing in-home pill treatments as well, and some may be available by end of year. If we can't beat COVID (few virus experts really believe we can), at least focus on treatments that prevent death and hospital stays. Expecting most of planet to vax every 6-8 months is going to be a problem, which is what Pfizer seems to be suggesting given rise of Delta in heavily Pfizer vaccinated Israel, about 1/2 of new cases infecting those fully vaccinated.
As far as construction supply issues from other thread, we're probably just going to have to learn to live with COVID, use defenses as realistically feasible/deployable and move on with being productive and living life.
Here's a hint: If you think COVID is going anywhere near "Away", you're dead wrong. Stop saying COVID and start saying FLU if your brain requires that level of thinking to obtain clarity. They both behave generally the same, as nearly every widespread virus does. If your life doesn't revolve around the Flu, then it shouldn't revolve around Covid. There's no ridding the world of viruses. Stop thinking this is something you can simply mask up and move beyond. It's not.
You move forward recognizing the facts that;
1. Various treatments exist but they will never prevent you from contracting the virus or illness, and their effectiveness will range from poor to bad.
2. Various new strains of viruses will constantly be evolving and persisting.
3. Various new treatments will need to be concocted every year through the end of time, and they will all behave as mentioned in point #1.
4. You will contract COVID just as you contract literally thousands of other viral infections throughout your life. Stop being ignorant of your own medical history.
5. You will likely survive COVID and every other viral infection, as the vast majority of people do.
6. You will eventually die, as all life does.
It's a great take except for one part. You bungled your thesis of treating it like the flu.im2kull wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:37 am
I'm astounded how many people simply don't understand virology. Especially with Influenza being so prevalent every year. You'd think they'd all have figured it out by now...
Here's a hint: If you think COVID is going anywhere near "Away", you're dead wrong. Stop saying COVID and start saying FLU if your brain requires that level of thinking to obtain clarity. They both behave generally the same, as nearly every widespread virus does. If your life doesn't revolve around the Flu, then it shouldn't revolve around Covid. There's no ridding the world of viruses. Stop thinking this is something you can simply mask up and move beyond. It's not.
You move forward recognizing the facts that;
1. Various treatments exist but they will never prevent you from contracting the virus or illness, and their effectiveness will range from poor to bad.
2. Various new strains of viruses will constantly be evolving and persisting.
3. Various new treatments will need to be concocted every year through the end of time, and they will all behave as mentioned in point #1.
4. You will contract COVID just as you contract literally thousands of other viral infections throughout your life. Stop being ignorant of your own medical history.
5. You will likely survive COVID and every other viral infection, as the vast majority of people do.
6. You will eventually die, as all life does.
You also bungled your response when you treated 1918 technology, diagnosis, and record keeping as the same that exists in 2021.flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:51 pmIt's a great take except for one part. You bungled your thesis of treating it like the flu.im2kull wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:37 am
I'm astounded how many people simply don't understand virology. Especially with Influenza being so prevalent every year. You'd think they'd all have figured it out by now...
Here's a hint: If you think COVID is going anywhere near "Away", you're dead wrong. Stop saying COVID and start saying FLU if your brain requires that level of thinking to obtain clarity. They both behave generally the same, as nearly every widespread virus does. If your life doesn't revolve around the Flu, then it shouldn't revolve around Covid. There's no ridding the world of viruses. Stop thinking this is something you can simply mask up and move beyond. It's not.
You move forward recognizing the facts that;
1. Various treatments exist but they will never prevent you from contracting the virus or illness, and their effectiveness will range from poor to bad.
2. Various new strains of viruses will constantly be evolving and persisting.
3. Various new treatments will need to be concocted every year through the end of time, and they will all behave as mentioned in point #1.
4. You will contract COVID just as you contract literally thousands of other viral infections throughout your life. Stop being ignorant of your own medical history.
5. You will likely survive COVID and every other viral infection, as the vast majority of people do.
6. You will eventually die, as all life does.
We shouldn't treat it like the flu. We should treat it more like the worst flu outbreak in ~100 years
The 1918 flu pandemic killed 600,000 in the US. The population was about 103 million that year
0.00461 ratio
For the flu, I'm using figure 2, 2010-11. It was the worst year on the chart
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
37,000 deaths of 21,000,000 cases.
0.00176
Nationally, 37,000 deaths of 309,000,000 people
0.0001119
Known US Covid death rate I used is 607,360 deaths of 33,932,000 cases
0.0178
Looking at total population with covid is 607,360 deaths of 331,000,000 people
0.00183
The 1918 flu death rate was 2.5x more deadly than Covid in the population as a whole so far
The 1918 flu death rate was 41x worse than the most recent flu year in the past decade
Covid is 10x worse than the more recent flu year for a percent of people infected dieing
So Covid is much closer to the death rate of a pandemic so bad we still talk about it 100+ years later than anything
Even if you want to throw big question marks on all the numbers, it doesn't invalidate that Covid is dramatically worse than any flu year than one.
That’s my thought.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... itics.htmlTexas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 272085.phpThe relationship between vaccination and politics reflects demographics. Vaccine hesitancy is highest in counties that are rural and have lower income levels and college graduation rates — the same characteristics found in counties that were more likely to have supported Mr. Trump. In wealthier Trump-supporting counties with higher college graduation rates, the vaccination gap is smaller, the analysis found, but the partisan gap holds even after accounting for income, race and age demographics, population density and a county’s infection and death rate.
Nearly half of Texas Republican voters say they do not plan to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, according to new polling released Thursday by Quinnipiac University.
All told, pollsters found, about one-third of Texas adults said they do not plan to get vaccinated, whereas about 70 percent said they have already received or are planning to get inoculated.
Pollsters found “sharp differences” in views on vaccines among political parties, with about 30 percent of independents saying they’ll forego vaccines and 13 percent of Democrats saying the same.
Texas counties that are more rural and were likely to have voted for former President Donald Trump have generally lagged more urban counties, such as Harris County, when it comes to vaccine rates.
The relatively better news is that preventing severe cases is over 85% if vax taken 6 months ago (though not as high as advertised). Will have to wait and see effectiveness for 8+ months...The report has also reflected the decreasing potency of the vaccination, showing a mere 16 percent effectiveness against transmission among those vaccinated in January, compared to 44 percent of those vaccinated in February, 67 percent of those who received their shots in March, and 75 percent for those vaccinated in April.
I think there’s some misinformation here. The vaccine does prevent you from getting Covid. None of them are 100% but in several studies certain vaccines show a 90% efficacy rate in preventing Covid.FangKC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:50 pm Vaccination doesn't prevent COVID infection. It helps the immune system recognize COVID to fight it off. In most people, vaccination results in a less serious infection, and less likelihood of death from it.
The vast majority of hospitalization and deaths now are among unvaccinated.
Vaccinated people should still wear masks when in enclosed spaces around other people. Vaccinated people can spread the DELTA variant of the virus to others. Masks reduce spread.
We need to severely slow the spread of COVID because future variants might elude the vaccine completely, and we we will be back at square one. New variants have formed, and will form, as long as so many remain unvaccinated.
Children's Mercy Hospital is at capacity.
https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/chil ... 676d1.html