COVID19

[Steve52]

The mega financial bubble-of-bubbles is deflating with frightful velocity right before our eyes precisely because of the efforts since 2008 to artificially inflate it.

[brewcrew1000]

The thing that was so troubling for me since 2008 is that a huge chunk of this "growth" is mainly tied to government spending. Its like the only way something gets done is if you have huge government spending tied to it. I think Gov't spending to GDP is like 45% and its likely to go over that now

[FangKC]

The next shoe to drop will be the subprime auto loan bubble since so many people are losing their jobs. The default rate is going to skyrocket.

[mgsports]

Goodwill New York/New Jersey stores closed. All Kohls stores closed.

[FangKC]

Coronavirus shatters New Jersey family, kills 4 with 3 more hospitalized

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/co ... s-n1163696

[FangKC]

Coronavirus Is Killing Italy’s Doctors. The U.S. Could Be Next.

ROME—Dr. Marcello Natali never left the front line in the northern Italian town of Codogno when the novel coronavirus outbreak exploded more than three weeks ago. And the front line is where the 57-year-old physician died this week from the disease he fought so hard. Natali, whose wife is also a health care worker, had no preexisting conditions, and was far younger than the median age of 80 of most of Italy’s nearly 3,000 COVID-19 dead. But he only agreed to get the intensive care he desperately needed last week after his symptoms overwhelmed him.
...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/covid-19- ... t?ref=home

[earthling]

At time of this post, NY state (pop 20M) now has more known cases than UK (pop 66M) and could pass S Korea in less than a week if rate keeps up.

If China is not reporting accurately, they are dangerously creating a false sense of hope for rest of world. However if China reports are accurate, there's still a cultural difference that is not a good reference for 'Western' world. The US should be looking to European patterns - and it's not looking good. And now NY city/state.

Amazon also reported an infected warehouse worker. Do we stop shipping now? COVID can apparently last a couple days on surfaces. At some point we have to simply live *with* this and accept most might get it at some point. And does restricting international travel really have any meaning at this point? If NY State has more cases than UK and many other countries, why restrict flights to Europe from other US cities but not NY to rest of US?

Known Cases by State: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
By Country: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[grovester]

NY has more cases because they have started testing.

[earthling]

Right, but so have Euro countries long before US. NY state has more known cases than all but 4 Euro countries and ranks 9th in world.

Should we ban NY from rest of US or time to take away international flight restrictions?

[FangKC]

California Governor Announces Statewide Order To Stay At Home

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/californ ... ttPSwFe85A

[grovester]

Right, but so have Euro countries long before US. NY state has more known cases than all but 4 Euro countries and ranks 9th in world.

Should we ban NY from rest of US or time to take away international flight restrictions?

Not the UK.

And yes, if the current suppression works after a period of time, there could be temporary lifting based on regional circumstances.

[earthling]

UK has been testing at a higher rate than NY...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/test ... -000-a-day

And NY state may pass up S Korea in known cases within a week. NY ranking 9th in world of entire countries is eyebrow raising. If NY were a country, it would rank around 60th in population.

[flyingember]

UK has been testing at a higher rate than NY...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/test ... -000-a-day

And NY state may pass up S Korea in known cases within a week. NY ranking 9th in world of entire countries is eyebrow raising. If NY were a country, it would rank around 60th in population.

Manhattan has the population density 11x of Rome, 4.5x of London and 1.5x of Soeul

That's why

[earthling]

^Yup.

[Roanoker]

All this reminds me of the 1951 movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still. If you are stuck at home and have never seen this movie, you might want to check it out. It is a classic. Many of my peers still remember the three alien words that must be uttered to avoid being zapped.

[earthling]

Here's a good way to see COVID updates by the minute from most media. It's Google news sorted by time within last hour.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+O ... CAQQpwUIJA

This is same search rule with "Kansas City" added... Can change KC to any city/country to refine by region...
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280& ... jaW4vxQ8s0

[brewcrew1000]

This is interesting and think this is why this is all overblown
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 0Bv4ICHSKI

[Highlander]

NY has more cases because they have started testing.

NY cases have grown steadily in the past few days. I suspect this is a result of testing rather than the disease spreading faster there than elsewhere. What's interesting is the mortality rate has dropped in NY to 0.5% which is much lower than Washinginton (5%) or California (1.5%). Of course, not all the cases in NY have run their course but I suspect there are multiple reasons why there are huge differences in # of cases and mortality rate among the states and even globally: Testing, age of population and health care. In Italy the median age of fatalities is 80. In Washington, their mortality rate is highly impacted by ground zero being an unsuspecting nursing and elderly care facility. Germany has an astoundingly low mortality rate (0.2%) for the large number of cases they have (and probably the world's best health care system).

[earthling]

Yeah, NY jumped testing to 8000/day just last day or two but it takes a few days to get results so the jump in cases could jump exponentially even higher soon. (edit: Although there is apparently a new 5 hour test coming, not sure if NY has it.) S Korea was testing 10K/day a week ago and recently went to 15K/day. UK is testing 25K/day now. So even though UK and S Korea testing rates are and have been higher than NY, NY passed UK and may pass S Korea soon in 'known' cases.

[flyingember]

Mortality rates from disease tie to things like

age
gender
genetic background
current health and health history
exposure to similar diseases that are close enough to provide immunity
environment
how fast you receive care
availability of the type of care needed
ability to afford care
cultural practices
community organization

Maybe age is a prime factor but when you take it away is genetics more important than health care? Is speed of care critical?