COVID19

[TheLastGentleman]

Has anyone noticed whether or not downtown construction sites are still active?

[FangKC]

More than 5,000 people in US have tested positive for COVID.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... BlogHeader

345 people have died in Italy in the last 24 hours.

[brewcrew1000]

I'm starting to get really skeptical in all of this now. Italy has had 2500 deaths of this virus but the country of 60 million has a death rate of 10.1 per 1000 so about 1700 people a day are dying regardless of this virus. I would like to know the breakdown of age, any underlying health conditions, etc. If it's all old people how do we not know they werent going to die in a few months anyway virus or no virus and this just sped it up

[FangKC]

Empty Prague today usually one of the most transit-heavy, pedestrian cities in Europe.

https://www.rferl.org/a/prague-lockdown ... 281tB2g5M0

[FangKC]

Gov. Parsons shuts down casinos; Gov Kelly shuts down all public schools for the rest of the school term.
Restaurants and bars shut down in KC at midnight tonight except for drive through, pickup, and delivery service.

[ToDactivist]

Did St Louis shut down before KC and others? Saw a chart on TV whereby it's rate flattened considerably vs other cities.

Support the locals (safely)....you need to eat (unless you stockpiled to the hilt and havent already choked the dog) and the local merchants need it.

[kboish]

Did St Louis shut down before KC and others? Saw a chart on TV whereby it's rate flattened considerably vs other cities.

Its possible you saw a chart of St Louis’ response to the 1918 flu. It is a case study in how early response flattens the curve.

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1 ... works/amp/

To my knowledge StL has not done any closures before us and has been maybe even a little behind us

[kboish]

https://amp.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 58181.html

The star had an article about KC vs StL response in 1918 as well

[FangKC]

Half the KCMO Council is in self-quarantine after exposure.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronav ... 84596.html

[watcher64110]

Empty Prague today usually one of the most transit-heavy, pedestrian cities in Europe.

https://www.rferl.org/a/prague-lockdown ... 281tB2g5M0

We were in Berlin until Sunday. All the public transit was still open and reasonably well used though not crowded, and we saw very few masks until we went to the airport. (we rode the U-Bahn, S-Bahn, Busses and trams plus the RE to Potsdam while we were there) Buses and trams had the front entrances blocked on Saturday...now we understand it was to minimize exposure for drivers.

Returning flight to the US from Amsterdam was maybe 66% empty. Before disembarking in ATL, we filled out paperwork about our travel locations and any symptoms (none for us) They collected it before we de-planed and pulled a few individual aside to check temperatures. It was quick, and we made our connecting flight to KC. Staying home for at least the required 14 days of course, though I'm not convinced we were in more danger there than here.

[brewcrew1000]

Places like Bluestem, Novel, other fancier places are going to be hit the worst because take out wouldn't be a very good option at these places. I heard Blip Coffee is shutting down but that might not have been because of this

[flyingember]

Places like Bluestem, Novel, other fancier places are going to be hit the worst because take out wouldn't be a very good option at these places. I heard Blip Coffee is shutting down but that might not have been because of this

Novel closed for at least two weeks.

I would expect who survives depends on how quickly a place can shift their style. A BBQ restaurant will be able to do good business with take out. A lot of restaurants would do well to simplify their menus and sell more of less options to reduce food waste. Any place that is remotely prepared for catering will be able to survive with business orders.


I would also expect a lot of food service temp work.

Our school district is distributing food at bus stop. That will create opportunity.

Hospitals are going to need every meal they can get soon and anyone with a commercial kitchen is going to be drafted to make meals day and night to deliver food. It may be the same dish over and over but that's money for a restaurant owner they won't turn away.

[brewcrew1000]

Hospitals pretty much have full kitchens/restaurants, the way hospitals re-desgined for full catering they kind of hurt restaurants now

Corporations that are going to be hurt badly in KC are:
AMC
BB Theaters (KC has too many theaters anyway)
Populous - We might have to re-think as a society about large social gatherings now, probably wont be demand for stadiums anymore
Sports Talk Radio? If they have nothing to talk about people wont listen and advertisers wont bother, could see some big name radio guys let go
Applebees?
Hallmark?

[earthling]

One stat I'd like to see especially in Italy is how many tests per day and % of positive results. And if the tests are general population or only those with conditions. At some point, if there is a high % of positive results relative to those tested, you may as well stop the lockdown, focus on those at risk and allow daily life to continue. Germany estimated that 60% could get this at some point and does seem plausible given no one has immunity and no vaccine. The US could hit 20% unemployment according to Mnuchin, would think at least 10% by summer. If 60% will get infected anyway, is shutting down the planet worth it? Maybe for now to keep hospital loads as low as possible but need to ask that question again in another couple weeks.

[flyingember]

Hospitals pretty much have full kitchens/restaurants, the way hospitals re-desgined for full catering they kind of hurt restaurants now

Corporations that are going to be hurt badly in KC are:
AMC
BB Theaters (KC has too many theaters anyway)
Populous - We might have to re-think as a society about large social gatherings now, probably wont be demand for stadiums anymore
Sports Talk Radio? If they have nothing to talk about people wont listen and advertisers wont bother, could see some big name radio guys let go
Applebees?
Hallmark?

Hospitals don't have kitchens for an double or triple influx of patients that overwhelms them.

Everything else on your list, give it a year or two.

[kboish]

First two confirmed cases in KCMO. 30-year old male and 40-year old female. There is no connection in how they were exposed.

[brewcrew1000]

The thing that makes no sense is that Japan did not do this and they are very close to China. China did not do this expect for one city and they seemed to have managed it very well. The whole thing seems mind boogling to me.
Could this all be some big hoax about climate change? Like if it only took 2 weeks for nature to clear up so we can still pollute in the future expect for a 2/3 week slowdown. I guess in Venice canals are clearing up and dolphins are swimming back in Venice. Great Barrier reef is healing.

[kboish]

I'm not sure you're getting good information.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/ ... nJzSYhKiUk

In a bid to contain the outbreak and minimize its potential impact on the economy, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has asked all schools in the nation to shut until spring break ends in early April, and for big sports and cultural events to be canceled, postponed or scaled-down.

I think it is recognized that japan was slow to acknowledge and respond to their cases. Also, japan has a MUCH more robust healthcare system than the US. They (along with Korea) have one of the highest hospital bed per person ratios in the world. So they won't need as dramatic response as we might in relation to bolstering our ability to care for sick patients.

I'd also say that China did MUCH more than shut down "one city". As you'll recall the entire region of Wuhan was under gun point not allowing anyone in or out for something like 40 days. The rest of the country also shut down for a time. The difference is, they had a reason- massive testing to find and isolate people with the virus. We, OTOH, are just trying to prevent spread UNTIL we get widespread testing. Which is a failure on our part.

And if you think its a hoax, do you think nearly every country in the world is in on it? Countries (Iran) who are not our allies are suffering pretty big consequences right now.

[kboish]

If the result of this is that we realize how devastating our routine, daily impact is on the environment, then that will be a positive. I doubt that will be the lesson learned.

[mean]

One stat I'd like to see especially in Italy is how many tests per day and % of positive results. And if the tests are general population or only those with conditions. At some point, if there is a high % of positive results relative to those tested, you may as well stop the lockdown, focus on those at risk and allow daily life to continue. Germany estimated that 60% could get this at some point and does seem plausible given no one has immunity and no vaccine. The US could hit 20% unemployment according to Mnuchin, would think at least 10% by summer. If 60% will get infected anyway, is shutting down the planet worth it? Maybe for now to keep hospital loads as low as possible but need to ask that question again in another couple weeks.

If the point is to make it spread slower and take longer to be over with to avoid crushing hospitals and making healthcare professionals choose where to focus limited resources (essentially deciding who lives and dies in potentially thousands and thousands of cases), then I don't think it makes sense to have a short term lockdown that merely delays that crush for a couple weeks. Either commit to attempting to avoid the nightmare apocalyptic scenario in every hospital in the country, or don't do that, but don't half do it.