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phuqueue wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:10 am
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:06 pm
grovester wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:51 pm


No serious person compares him to Barack Obama like you did, only apologists and sycophants.

And yes, there are thousands like you.
Are you serious? Why are comparisons to a past president off limits? That's so childish. How do we know if what anyone does is good or bad if we don't look at the past? I'm not comparing them as men or even presidents, I'm comparing their schedules. It was made to sound like taking his first meeting at 11am is so insanely different from past presidents when it's not. You're right, there are hundreds of thousands like me who are so sick of smug people like you, we might vote for Trump even though we don't like the guy just to spite you and all the other people who so ignorantly lump anyone who doesn't jump on the Trump hate train as stupid, apologist, deplorable and whatever other words you want to use. You're no better than the toothless, confederate flag flying, racist white trash hillbilly who calls anyone who says anything negative about Trump a "snowflake".

Let's check on your cognition.
Being called an "apologist" in direct response to a long literal apologia that you wrote actually is not the same thing as racism. If you want to vote for Trump then just fucking go vote for Trump, but don't try to lay your decision at someone else's feet, that you would have voted otherwise but people were just so mean to you that you had to go vote for Trump out of "spite." Nobody is buying this "I don't like the guy, but [five paragraphs about how he's actually fine]" bit anyway.
You missed the point. I have to pick between shit and a turd. All day everyday I see people who don’t jump on the all in gang bang against Trump put down, many of them great and smart people. I may vote for him just to see all the people who call his supporters Trumptards, deplorable And stupid cry and scream like children.

I don’t want to like the guy but I can’t seem to hate him either. Call that what you want. I want better options but that’s not happening. Shouldn’t go get my MAGA hat bought now or can I still pick and choose what aspects of him I like and don’t like? You tell me.

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DColeKC wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:05 am
I may vote for him just to see all the people who call his supporters Trumptards, deplorable And stupid cry and scream like children.
Are you five years old?

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Imagine the reason of your vote being "To make libs mad."

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Speaking of shits and turds.

“On Undecided Voter​s: "To put them in perspective, I think​ of being​ on an airplane.​ The flight attendant comes​ down the aisle​ with her food cart and, eventually,​ parks​ it beside my seat.​ “Can I inter​est you in the chick​en?​” she asks.​ “Or would​ you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broke​n glass​ in it?”

To be undecided in this elect​ion is to pause​ for a moment and then ask how the chick​en is cooked.”

― David Sedaris

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TheLastGentleman wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:32 am
DColeKC wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:05 am
I may vote for him just to see all the people who call his supporters Trumptards, deplorable And stupid cry and scream like children.
Are you five years old?
Damn it. I thought you were the last chance of civility on this forum.

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Re: Politics

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grovester wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:42 pm
Speaking of shits and turds.

“On Undecided Voter​s: "To put them in perspective, I think​ of being​ on an airplane.​ The flight attendant comes​ down the aisle​ with her food cart and, eventually,​ parks​ it beside my seat.​ “Can I inter​est you in the chick​en?​” she asks.​ “Or would​ you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broke​n glass​ in it?”

To be undecided in this elect​ion is to pause​ for a moment and then ask how the chick​en is cooked.”

― David Sedaris
Likely one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read, which coming from the Clint Eastwood of this forum isn’t shocking.

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DColeKC wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:34 am
TheLastGentleman wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:32 am
DColeKC wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:05 am
I may vote for him just to see all the people who call his supporters Trumptards, deplorable And stupid cry and scream like children.
Are you five years old?
Damn it. I thought you were the last chance of civility on this forum.
I would say you are the one who hasn’t been civil in this regard.

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DColeKC wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:05 am
phuqueue wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:10 am
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:06 pm


Are you serious? Why are comparisons to a past president off limits? That's so childish. How do we know if what anyone does is good or bad if we don't look at the past? I'm not comparing them as men or even presidents, I'm comparing their schedules. It was made to sound like taking his first meeting at 11am is so insanely different from past presidents when it's not. You're right, there are hundreds of thousands like me who are so sick of smug people like you, we might vote for Trump even though we don't like the guy just to spite you and all the other people who so ignorantly lump anyone who doesn't jump on the Trump hate train as stupid, apologist, deplorable and whatever other words you want to use. You're no better than the toothless, confederate flag flying, racist white trash hillbilly who calls anyone who says anything negative about Trump a "snowflake".

Let's check on your cognition.
Being called an "apologist" in direct response to a long literal apologia that you wrote actually is not the same thing as racism. If you want to vote for Trump then just fucking go vote for Trump, but don't try to lay your decision at someone else's feet, that you would have voted otherwise but people were just so mean to you that you had to go vote for Trump out of "spite." Nobody is buying this "I don't like the guy, but [five paragraphs about how he's actually fine]" bit anyway.
You missed the point. I have to pick between shit and a turd. All day everyday I see people who don’t jump on the all in gang bang against Trump put down, many of them great and smart people. I may vote for him just to see all the people who call his supporters Trumptards, deplorable And stupid cry and scream like children.

I don’t want to like the guy but I can’t seem to hate him either. Call that what you want. I want better options but that’s not happening. Shouldn’t go get my MAGA hat bought now or can I still pick and choose what aspects of him I like and don’t like? You tell me.
Your point seems to be that when people are mean to you, you do the thing they don't want you to do out of spite for them (however, it is they who are acting like children). That's what you said in your first post and that's what you are saying again right now to try to elucidate your point that you believe I missed.

A single person's vote in a presidential election basically doesn't matter, so I truly and honestly just 100% do not care what you do with yours. But it is kinda gross to watch people like you treat politics like a low stakes game in which the greatest reward is to stick it to the other side, rather than the raw exercise of power in which real people's lives actually hang in the balance. Many people more serious than you treat the choice "between shit and a turd" as a real problem that deserves genuine consideration of the various pros and cons for each potential option. You treat it as an opportunity to turn off your brain and get back at people who were mean to you. Crazy that anybody would ever consider Trump voters "deplorable and stupid," isn't it?

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phuqueue wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:38 pm
But it is kinda gross to watch people like you treat politics like a low stakes game in which the greatest reward is to stick it to the other side, rather than the raw exercise of power in which real people's lives actually hang in the balance.
the best (worst) is still people who support the Affordable Care Act but vote for politicians who are against Obamacare.

They're so against Obama that they fail to recognize the hypocrisy.

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flyingember wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:13 pm
phuqueue wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:38 pm
But it is kinda gross to watch people like you treat politics like a low stakes game in which the greatest reward is to stick it to the other side, rather than the raw exercise of power in which real people's lives actually hang in the balance.
the best (worst) is still people who support the Affordable Care Act but vote for politicians who are against Obamacare.

They're so against Obama that they fail to recognize the hypocrisy.
As a relative conservative myself, it's painful to watch people who call themselves conservatives gush over Trump. He is not a conservative (the Lincoln project has pointed this out very well); his expansion (and abuse) of presidential power and attempts to impose his will across the nation over absurd things like TikTok are the antithesis of conservatism. It's crazy his followers are so incredibly loyal. I think a lot of them are hard core anti-abortionists that see 4 more years of Trump as the ticket to stacking the deck in the Supreme Court which is all that matters to them. Other than that, Trump's success at attacking the ACA is largely anchored in rural America. I do not know why, but he's able to convince a large segment of society that would very much benefit from the ACA that it's evil. I just think that's how insular rural America is in general; they don't trust the government, racism is rampant and Trump is the champion of the white anti-deep state, anti-government sentiment that resides there.

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Seems many current Trump followers fall into one of the 'supremacist' categories that Trump empowers - white supremacy, nationalistic supremacy and/or Christian supremacy. Not all but many. Isolationists also attracted to him but maybe fall into one of the three. The remaining seem to think he is only one that can boost economy and/or just hate socialism and baby killing DEMs to the point they are blind to or even OK with his blatant corruption. Am I missing anything? What's odd though is many hardcore Christian extremists would still take Trump over Pence.

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Took a few days to reflect on this before commenting because unlike what was mentioned, I do take politics very seriously which is why I get heated. As someone struggling to decide what to do with my vote, everything factors into that decision. I have many friends and family members who are Trump supporters and none of them are hardcore Christians, anti-abortion or blind followers. Most of them live in rural communities and some Lifelong city dwellers like to assume all rural folk are uneducated and Trump flag flying conservatives. About the only thing true about that assumption is the conservative part. So when I see people try to toss all Trump supporters into this stereotype I feel my vote pull towards Trump.

Despite all the rhetoric and constant doomsday implications some say will happen if Trump wins, I don’t honestly think it will be that bad and I do think some good can be done. I also think if he loses it could be a good opportunity for the republicans to regroup.

With all that’s currently going on with civil unrest, I am truly nervous about having Biden as potus. He’s not going to be able to suddenly “unify” the country. Obama couldn’t do it but Biden will? The defund and decertify the police movement is mostly insane. I do see a value in what some of the defund the police concept means, but that’s not something you do by shifting millions of dollars from one budget to the other in a single year.

These protests and riots are getting more and more dangerous. Residential areas were once off limits but now being targeted. You have violent idiots (white and black) who are ruining any chance of the message being heard.

So yes, everything plays into my vote, even these conversations on a forum. One comment said they’re not really worried about my vote because 1 vote doesn’t matter. What you don’t understand is there are hundreds of thousands like me. 77% of those who identify as republican are afraid to discuss politics or admit they vote for Trump. I have been saying it for years. The constant negativity towards Trump supporters over the last 3.5 years has just emboldened them and added to his base.

2 months ago I thought Biden had this. Now I think it’s going to be very close and every single vote does matter.

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DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:31 am
2 months ago I thought Biden had this. Now I think it’s going to be very close and every single vote does matter.
Why?

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flyingember wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:42 am
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:31 am
2 months ago I thought Biden had this. Now I think it’s going to be very close and every single vote does matter.
Why?
His VP pick hurt him slightly with independents and his lead in the polls (according to a few) have tightened. One of the latest CNN polls has them essentially at a tie factoring in the 3.7% margin of error. One study I've read that says 77% of those who identify as republican are afraid to discuss politics. I feel that probably has a slight impact on polling as well.

So far the during the DNC I've heard Trumps name mentioned more than Biden. I'm waiting for them to start talking about what the hell Biden will do instead of "better vote for Biden or else the world will end". I don't think it's a good play.

Also, the biggest concern for the majority of the country is still the economy. More people agree they're more comfortable with Trump getting the economy back up after the pandemic than Biden. Even some people who hate Trump will vote for him if it means the best chance economically for their family.

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Here's the Presidential polls. The CNN one you reference is Aug 16.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... /national/


And it's not national polls that matter.
Watch Senate polls in key states for a better idea on election direction.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/

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flyingember wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am
Here's the Presidential polls. The CNN one you reference is Aug 16.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... /national/


And it's not national polls that matter.
Watch Senate polls in key states for a better idea on election direction.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/
Polls in general are tricky. All the senate polls look like a 50/50 battle right now too. I just think the presidential race is getting very tight. A NBC poll a few days ago had Trump ahead by 10 points in regards to the economy and 3 points on crime. He’s going to ride that angle hard and you wonder how many Urban independents are getting frustrated seeing riots in the streets.

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DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:31 am

So yes, everything plays into my vote, even these conversations on a forum. One comment said they’re not really worried about my vote because 1 vote doesn’t matter. What you don’t understand is there are hundreds of thousands like me. 77% of those who identify as republican are afraid to discuss politics or admit they vote for Trump. I have been saying it for years. The constant negativity towards Trump supporters over the last 3.5 years has just emboldened them and added to his base.
Couldn't even begin to understand this, but whatever. If we ever meet in a bar - I will assume you aren't a troll and buy you a beer - but probably better if we don't talk about politics.

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DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:31 am
Took a few days to reflect on this before commenting because unlike what was mentioned, I do take politics very seriously which is why I get heated. As someone struggling to decide what to do with my vote, everything factors into that decision. I have many friends and family members who are Trump supporters and none of them are hardcore Christians, anti-abortion or blind followers. Most of them live in rural communities and some Lifelong city dwellers like to assume all rural folk are uneducated and Trump flag flying conservatives. About the only thing true about that assumption is the conservative part. So when I see people try to toss all Trump supporters into this stereotype I feel my vote pull towards Trump.
Yes, we have already discussed that your choices are informed by spite.
Despite all the rhetoric and constant doomsday implications some say will happen if Trump wins, I don’t honestly think it will be that bad and I do think some good can be done. I also think if he loses it could be a good opportunity for the republicans to regroup.
It won't be that bad for whom?
With all that’s currently going on with civil unrest, I am truly nervous about having Biden as potus. He’s not going to be able to suddenly “unify” the country. Obama couldn’t do it but Biden will? The defund and decertify the police movement is mostly insane. I do see a value in what some of the defund the police concept means, but that’s not something you do by shifting millions of dollars from one budget to the other in a single year.
So if Biden is pres and the country is not unified, that is Biden's fault. Trump is already pres and the country is not unified, but that is the fault of the people who don't like Trump. There seems to be a pattern emerging here.
These protests and riots are getting more and more dangerous. Residential areas were once off limits but now being targeted. You have violent idiots (white and black) who are ruining any chance of the message being heard.
The message has already been heard, but a lot of white people don't like what they're hearing -- and have shown little inclination to reflect on that.
So yes, everything plays into my vote, even these conversations on a forum. One comment said they’re not really worried about my vote because 1 vote doesn’t matter. What you don’t understand is there are hundreds of thousands like me. 77% of those who identify as republican are afraid to discuss politics or admit they vote for Trump. I have been saying it for years. The constant negativity towards Trump supporters over the last 3.5 years has just emboldened them and added to his base.
77% of Republicans are afraid to admit they voted for Trump but they're also emboldened?
2 months ago I thought Biden had this. Now I think it’s going to be very close and every single vote does matter.
Trump will probably lose the popular vote and win the electoral college again. The margin in the closest states might be on the order of a few tens of thousands, as it was four years ago. I guess you could (generously) claim that "every single vote" matters in those states. Do you live in one of them? If not then I still don't care who you vote for. You clearly want to go for Trump, so just go be your truest self my dude.

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The dilution effect is a judgment bias in which people underutilize diagnostic information when nondiagnostic information is also present. Diagnostic information is knowledge that is useful in making a particular judgment. Nondiagnostic information is knowledge that is not relevant to the judgment being made.

Unsurprisingly, the technique of vomiting voluminous amounts of nondiagnostic information is a typical tactic of conmen... like Donald Trump.

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Re: Politics

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phuqueue wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:22 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:31 am
Took a few days to reflect on this before commenting because unlike what was mentioned, I do take politics very seriously which is why I get heated. As someone struggling to decide what to do with my vote, everything factors into that decision. I have many friends and family members who are Trump supporters and none of them are hardcore Christians, anti-abortion or blind followers. Most of them live in rural communities and some Lifelong city dwellers like to assume all rural folk are uneducated and Trump flag flying conservatives. About the only thing true about that assumption is the conservative part. So when I see people try to toss all Trump supporters into this stereotype I feel my vote pull towards Trump.
Yes, we have already discussed that your choices are informed by spite.
Despite all the rhetoric and constant doomsday implications some say will happen if Trump wins, I don’t honestly think it will be that bad and I do think some good can be done. I also think if he loses it could be a good opportunity for the republicans to regroup.
It won't be that bad for whom?
With all that’s currently going on with civil unrest, I am truly nervous about having Biden as potus. He’s not going to be able to suddenly “unify” the country. Obama couldn’t do it but Biden will? The defund and decertify the police movement is mostly insane. I do see a value in what some of the defund the police concept means, but that’s not something you do by shifting millions of dollars from one budget to the other in a single year.
So if Biden is pres and the country is not unified, that is Biden's fault. Trump is already pres and the country is not unified, but that is the fault of the people who don't like Trump. There seems to be a pattern emerging here.
These protests and riots are getting more and more dangerous. Residential areas were once off limits but now being targeted. You have violent idiots (white and black) who are ruining any chance of the message being heard.
The message has already been heard, but a lot of white people don't like what they're hearing -- and have shown little inclination to reflect on that.
So yes, everything plays into my vote, even these conversations on a forum. One comment said they’re not really worried about my vote because 1 vote doesn’t matter. What you don’t understand is there are hundreds of thousands like me. 77% of those who identify as republican are afraid to discuss politics or admit they vote for Trump. I have been saying it for years. The constant negativity towards Trump supporters over the last 3.5 years has just emboldened them and added to his base.
77% of Republicans are afraid to admit they voted for Trump but they're also emboldened?
2 months ago I thought Biden had this. Now I think it’s going to be very close and every single vote does matter.
Trump will probably lose the popular vote and win the electoral college again. The margin in the closest states might be on the order of a few tens of thousands, as it was four years ago. I guess you could (generously) claim that "every single vote" matters in those states. Do you live in one of them? If not then I still don't care who you vote for. You clearly want to go for Trump, so just go be your truest self my dude.
Honestly I just feel like the republican mantra is at this point, if the dems can’t stop us messing stuff up, then why not elect us. Sure trump drove the country towards division, as has conservative media preaching a civil war. But if Biden can’t fix it in six months then he isn’t worth it

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