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phuqueue wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:41 am
Having it out in the open allows these people to find each other more easily and organize around their noxious views and gives them access to a wider audience of people who might be for one reason or another susceptible to this kind of thinking but who might never have found it in the first place if there hadn't been some 4chan rabbit hole for them to dig into. Allowing a platform for it is a form of tolerance, which ultimately leads to the paradox of tolerance. There is not intrinsically some set number of Nazis in our society who are going to do what they're going to do no matter what, and the only question is whether you shine a light on it or not for your own awareness of it -- shining that light actually helps it fester and grow.
Well said.

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phuqueue wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:41 am
It's been very exciting these past few days to watch conservatives allllllllmost grasp the problem with basically ceding control of society to big corporations and their wealthy owners.
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:10 am
Do you mean, go back underground? While having them out and open and honest and saying the quiet part out loud has been eye-opening, it hasn't been pleasant.
Wouldn’t it be easier to have them out in the open so we can all know they’re crazy and what they’re plotting? Same thing with racist, I’d rather have them out and about instead of holding their secret klan meetings in the woods somewhere.
Having it out in the open allows these people to find each other more easily and organize around their noxious views and gives them access to a wider audience of people who might be for one reason or another susceptible to this kind of thinking but who might never have found it in the first place if there hadn't been some 4chan rabbit hole for them to dig into. Allowing a platform for it is a form of tolerance, which ultimately leads to the paradox of tolerance. There is not intrinsically some set number of Nazis in our society who are going to do what they're going to do no matter what, and the only question is whether you shine a light on it or not for your own awareness of it -- shining that light actually helps it fester and grow.
I can appreciate that angle. I certainly have no problem with moderators or fact checkers tagging posts that are false and kicking off users who are flat out organizing violence or breaking any laws. I feel many of these people who have been pushed to insanity the last 4 years will just take this as more disrespect and become more enraged.

I think it’s all just a fine line. How many bombs have been made using Google search? How much child porn has been circulated using Gmail? Not an apples to apples comparison but somewhat relevant.

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The people who have already been radicalized very well might get even angrier, but if you take away their platforms then you hamper their ability to radicalize more people and you make it harder for them to organize. None of this is news to authoritarian governments, corporations, etc that have long done exactly that to crush democracy movements, organized labor, etc, and I'm not going to worry about those methods being turned against white supremacists for once. Whatever you might think about the broader implications of silencing people, there is at least no value to society in having their message out in the open.

Obviously the enforcement of TOS by the major tech companies is inconsistent and capricious, but that goes both ways (if we're sticking to the letter of the TOS, arguably Trump actually should have been banned by Twitter a long time ago). The real problem isn't that they enforce their rules arbitrarily, it's that we've allowed them to become large and powerful enough that we have to care about how they enforce their rules.

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I also don’t get the point of, “they’re already on edge, we have to appease them because they might go over the edge.”

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longviewmo wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:23 pm
I also don’t get the point of, “they’re already on edge, we have to appease them because they might go over the edge.”
In my opinion, it's not about appeasing them but shutting down an entire platform for the actions of the few seems aggressive. If that same tactic was used across the board, many social media outlets would be gone, but of course the ones that are the homes to the most misinformation are far too powerful to be taken down. FB, IG, Twitter and google.

I get it, Parlor was the new goto for the conservative crowd and it was basically unmonitored by it's creators, just fearful one side of the aisle may being treated differently than the other by these tech companies.

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Regardless of everyone’s stance, we can all agree that the sequel Trilogy of StarWars was the worst trilogy right?
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:59 pm
Regardless of everyone’s stance, we can all agree that the sequel Trilogy of StarWars was the worst trilogy right?
Prequels are still the worst in my book. Everyone just has rose tinted glasses cause it’s been decades

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TheLastGentleman wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:05 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:59 pm
Regardless of everyone’s stance, we can all agree that the sequel Trilogy of StarWars was the worst trilogy right?
Prequels are still the worst in my book. Everyone just has rose tinted glasses cause it’s been decades
After rewatching the entire series the last few weeks, I don’t see it as such. The largest issue with the prequels is the wooden dialogue and poor casting, while the entire story structure of the sequels is lackluster, and degrades the foundation of the established Star Wars universe and the characters. That’s just my opinion though :lol: figure I’d throw in a fun issue in light of recent political events
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:15 pm
TheLastGentleman wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:05 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:59 pm
Regardless of everyone’s stance, we can all agree that the sequel Trilogy of StarWars was the worst trilogy right?
Prequels are still the worst in my book. Everyone just has rose tinted glasses cause it’s been decades
After rewatching the entire series the last few weeks, I don’t see it as such. The largest issue with the prequels is the wooden dialogue and poor casting, while the entire story structure of the sequels is lackluster, and degrades the foundation of the established Star Wars universe and the characters. That’s just my opinion though :lol: figure I’d throw in a fun issue in light of recent political events
Wasn’t really a fan of Star Wars, and now really only enjoy watching Mandalorian.

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Riverite wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:16 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:15 pm
TheLastGentleman wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:05 pm


Prequels are still the worst in my book. Everyone just has rose tinted glasses cause it’s been decades
After rewatching the entire series the last few weeks, I don’t see it as such. The largest issue with the prequels is the wooden dialogue and poor casting, while the entire story structure of the sequels is lackluster, and degrades the foundation of the established Star Wars universe and the characters. That’s just my opinion though :lol: figure I’d throw in a fun issue in light of recent political events
Wasn’t really a fan of Star Wars, and now really only enjoy watching Mandalorian.
BLASPHEMY!

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George Lucas has ideas but is bad at making movies. JJ Abrams knows how to make movies but has no ideas. Pick your poison, I guess.

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Jar-Jar Hawley hereby vota to givea Galactic Emperor Trump da emergency powers!

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alejandro46 wrote:
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Jar-Jar Hawley hereby vota to givea Galactic Emperor Trump da emergency powers!
I do see the similarities.

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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:59 pm
Regardless of everyone’s stance, we can all agree that the sequel Trilogy of StarWars was the worst trilogy right?
That's tough.

Looking at each standalone movie #1 was the worst
In terms of having the stupidest character, #1 was the worst
In terms of blowing the story arc, the sequels were the worst. I like each movie standalone but not as a trilogy as much as the other two.
The prequels started rough and ended strong. The sequels started strong and ended rough

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"Anakin's rationalization is: 'Everybody is after power. Even the Jedi are after power.' Therefore, he thinks, 'They are all equally corrupt now...'"
-- George Lucas

That sounds kind of familiar... huh.

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A+ thread hijack.

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flyingember wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:04 am
They want to eat (ban) a gay wedding cake and speak about it too.
Are people ever going to stop perpetuating this false story?

I am extremely liberal, but EVEN I understand that the cake story was a NON ISSUE. The gay couple weren't refused service from the cake shop, the cake shop simply refused to make a CUSTOM cake with a dick and balls. They allowed the gay couple to choose any of their hundreds of other non-custom cakes that every customer has the option to choose.

There is NO comparison between that and the level of censorship that big tech is creating in todays world. In fact, not only is it ironic, it's disturbing that I seem to be the only liberal who realizes that a restriction of basic rights is occurring. Do we not want more and equal access?????

What's happening should scare everyone. Put your hypocrisy and partisan politics aside for one moment and use your damn brains.

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im2kull wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:17 am
flyingember wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:04 am
They want to eat (ban) a gay wedding cake and speak about it too.
Are people ever going to stop perpetuating this false story?

I am extremely liberal, but EVEN I understand that the cake story was a NON ISSUE. The gay couple weren't refused service from the cake shop, the cake shop simply refused to make a CUSTOM cake with a dick and balls. They allowed the gay couple to choose any of their hundreds of other non-custom cakes that every customer has the option to choose.

There is NO comparison between that and the level of censorship that big tech is creating in todays world. In fact, not only is it ironic, it's disturbing that I seem to be the only liberal who realizes that a restriction of basic rights is occurring. Do we not want more and equal access?????

What's happening should scare everyone. Put your hypocrisy and partisan politics aside for one moment and use your damn brains.
I’ve never come under the impression you are liberal, you have defended trump at every turn.
You might have meant to change to your alt account I’m not sure.

Also tech is enforcing its standards, it should enforce them equally in that if you call for violence you are banned. It isn’t a first amendment right or a basic right to be given a platform to spread nonsense. You can scream in the air if you’d like, just like people did before or that world is ending pastor does on the corner in the plaza.

I’m fine with regulating tech, but we have to come up with a realistic solution. Either you can ban politics entirely (unrealistic). Or ban anyone who peddles damaging or libelous language (I’m fine with this being on both of the sides of the aisle.)

The thing is I’m not sure I’ve seen liberals advocating violence against elected officials, it might happen but I’m positive they would be banned incredibly quickly as should happen.

The problem was that it was applied inconsistently and violence was peddled over and over and over again by many conservatives. That’s not protected by the first amendment anyways.

And going back to not yours but the other persons saying I’m super liberal, I’m not. There are plenty of things i don’t agree with democrats on, and plenty of things I sit to the Right of them on. The issue is the discussion happening at this interval, I do not want to compare incitement of insurrection and policy points I don’t agree with.

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Hallmark wants political contributions back from Josh Hawley and Roger Marshall. Commerce Bank says it won't contribute any longer to any candidates who opposed recognizing the Electoral College votes in the presidential election.

The FBI informed members of Congress that they've uncovered very serious plots to storm state and federal buildings in all 50 states, the federal Capitol in Washington as well as other federal buildings there, including the inauguration day ceremonies. In addition, serious threats have been made against Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer and Pence. Other members of Congress are reporting getting death threats.

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Riverite wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:14 am
im2kull wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:17 am
flyingember wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:04 am
They want to eat (ban) a gay wedding cake and speak about it too.
Are people ever going to stop perpetuating this false story?

I am extremely liberal, but EVEN I understand that the cake story was a NON ISSUE. The gay couple weren't refused service from the cake shop, the cake shop simply refused to make a CUSTOM cake with a dick and balls. They allowed the gay couple to choose any of their hundreds of other non-custom cakes that every customer has the option to choose.

There is NO comparison between that and the level of censorship that big tech is creating in todays world. In fact, not only is it ironic, it's disturbing that I seem to be the only liberal who realizes that a restriction of basic rights is occurring. Do we not want more and equal access?????

What's happening should scare everyone. Put your hypocrisy and partisan politics aside for one moment and use your damn brains.


The thing is I’m not sure I’ve seen liberals advocating violence against elected officials, it might happen but I’m positive they would be banned incredibly quickly as should happen.


"Morning Joe" regular Donny Deutsch saying that "people need to start taking to the street."
Rep. Ayanna Pressley, (D-MA) saying, "There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives."
Actor Johnny Depp asking, "When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?"
CNN's Chris Cuomo asking, "show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful?"
MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace and former Attorney General Eric Holder condoning violence in the streets.
Kathy Griffin's infamous photoshoot holding a bloody Trump head by the hair and rapper Snoop Dogg using a toy gun to shoot a clown dressed as President Trump.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) telling protesters to harass supporters of the Trump administration.
Madonna saying, "I have thought, an awful lot, about blowing up the White House."

Nancy Pelosi, "I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be"

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