Politics

Come here to talk about topics that are not related to development, or even Kansas City.
shaffe
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2353
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:51 pm
Contact:

Re: Politics

Post by shaffe »

phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
The House will probably be up for grabs, but I'm not sure you've taken a look at the 2022 Senate map. The following currently Democratic held states have senate elections:

MD, HI, IL, CO, CT, CA, AZ, NV, NH, NY, OR, VT, WA, possibly Warnock in GA.

Obviously GA would be a prime flip and Sinema Kelly in Arizona would need some defense (edit: Kelly I think is in probably stronger position than Sinema would be), but the third most likely flip on that list would be New Hampshire and only if the right Republican runs or maybe Nevada. Retirements and deaths aside I don't see the Democrats having less than 48 Senate seats in the bank going into the 2022 midterms. Meanwhile the following GOP held seats would be targets for flipping:

WI, IA, NC, OH, PA, FL

Get 3 out of of those 6 plus GA and AZ and that's a 51 seat majority for democrats.
Last edited by shaffe on Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

earthling
One Park Place
One Park Place
Posts: 6421
Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:27 pm

Re: Politics

Post by earthling »

mean wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:52 pm
earthling wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:40 pm
Of course not those, they are not far left. Many if not most moderates also support some form of nationalized healthcare at this point, but depends on how executed.
I suspect many if not most moderates support some form of healthcare that they can get as long as those who they feel don't deserve it don't also get it.
Please point to evidence from many who identify as moderate. Trumpists sure but you really think moderates are that mean spirited?

DColeKC
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: Politics

Post by DColeKC »

On the topic of healthcare, even folks on the right are open minded to ensuring everyone has healthcare. The issue is reworking the entire system for the roughly 10% of uninsured people. Half the country has insurance via their employer and are happy with it. If they can come up with a plan that doesn’t take away what half of us already have, doesn’t cause rates to go up and can provide a free or affordable option for others, I think the vast majority would support it. Just like most all of us support protesting those with pre-existing conditions.

If the dems take the senate, they better hurry because I agree 2022 will be a big win for the right. I also think Biden will be a 4 year potus depending on who the republicans run.

shinatoo
Ambassador
Posts: 6621
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: Politics

Post by shinatoo »

DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:53 pm
On the topic of healthcare, even folks on the right are open minded to ensuring everyone has healthcare. The issue is reworking the entire system for the roughly 10% of uninsured people. Half the country has insurance via their employer and are happy with it. If they can come up with a plan that doesn’t take away what half of us already have, doesn’t cause rates to go up and can provide a free or affordable option for others, I think the vast majority would support it. Just like most all of us support protesting those with pre-existing conditions.

If the dems take the senate, they better hurry because I agree 2022 will be a big win for the right. I also think Biden will be a 4 year potus depending on who the republicans run.
I think the answer is some type of universal catostrophic insurance. Like the government covers everything after 5k$. Maybe also expand Medicare to everyone under 18. Program would be far less expensive that way and the insurance companies could still offer suplimental insurance along the lines of AFLAC.

I can garuntee you, speaking as a business owner, the vast majority of business owners would love to get out of the insurance benifits game.
Quocunque Jeceris Stabit

mean
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11001
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:00 am
Location: Historic Northeast

Re: Politics

Post by mean »

earthling wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:56 pm
mean wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:52 pm
earthling wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:40 pm
Of course not those, they are not far left. Many if not most moderates also support some form of nationalized healthcare at this point, but depends on how executed.
I suspect many if not most moderates support some form of healthcare that they can get as long as those who they feel don't deserve it don't also get it.
Please point to evidence from many who identify as moderate. Trumpists sure but you really think moderates are that mean spirited?
I said I suspect, not that I empirically know for certain and can prove it with data because this is a well-researched argument which I will be giving a fucking TED talk on at Cambridge, for fuck's sake. Do you talk to people, or just base all your suspicions about human nature on sociological and political science research papers?

That said, yes, that is what I think. Not a huge percentage, but enough.

User avatar
grovester
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4168
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: Politics

Post by grovester »

phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
Bit of a harsh take.

I think voters were deliberately looking for divided government. They knew that a Trump 2nd term or a Dem sweep would lead to a lot of grand plans that probably wouldn't solve their immediate problems.

If we get the economic boom over the next 2 years that most are predicting, I'd guess that voters will try to maintain what's working, but not a bloodbath.

I also think we're minimizing the fact that the GOP has no fucking idea what it will be after 1/20/21.

DColeKC
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: Politics

Post by DColeKC »

grovester wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:24 pm
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
Bit of a harsh take.

I think voters were deliberately looking for divided government. They knew that a Trump 2nd term or a Dem sweep would lead to a lot of grand plans that probably wouldn't solve their immediate problems.

If we get the economic boom over the next 2 years that most are predicting, I'd guess that voters will try to maintain what's working, but not a bloodbath.

I also think we're minimizing the fact that the GOP has no fucking idea what it will be after 1/20/21.
I’m praying for a economic boom but I’m not bullish on it happening. I hope the GOP improves after Trump is gone but sadly, he’s not going away.

shinatoo
Ambassador
Posts: 6621
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: Politics

Post by shinatoo »

DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:34 am
grovester wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:24 pm
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
Bit of a harsh take.

I think voters were deliberately looking for divided government. They knew that a Trump 2nd term or a Dem sweep would lead to a lot of grand plans that probably wouldn't solve their immediate problems.

If we get the economic boom over the next 2 years that most are predicting, I'd guess that voters will try to maintain what's working, but not a bloodbath.

I also think we're minimizing the fact that the GOP has no fucking idea what it will be after 1/20/21.
I’m praying for a economic boom but I’m not bullish on it happening. I hope the GOP improves after Trump is gone but sadly, he’s not going away.
Should be looking at a deficit reduction at least. If the trend for evey democratic president holds true.
Quocunque Jeceris Stabit

phuqueue
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:33 pm

Re: Politics

Post by phuqueue »

earthling wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:47 pm
Yeah I've pointed out often that US DEM version of 'socialism' is nothing like Europe or Asia and the fact Bernie was rejected twice in DEM primaries supports that. But there is a good chance DEMs could lose both House/Senate in 2022 and sort of actualize an incidental self-fulling prophecy by pushing leftier things through while they can. It's really about what the moderates/indies think of what's pushed through, not what established DEMs think is not very left.

Depends on GA election of course. I'd like to see Biden get full run for a couple years, partly to clean up Trump's mess, which a GOP Senate may not allow depending on what they can block.
"Dems aren't far left but might try to do far left things anyway" is...a take, I guess.
shaffe wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:55 pm
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
The House will probably be up for grabs, but I'm not sure you've taken a look at the 2022 Senate map. The following currently Democratic held states have senate elections:

MD, HI, IL, CO, CT, CA, AZ, NV, NH, NY, OR, VT, WA, possibly Warnock in GA.

Obviously GA would be a prime flip and Sinema Kelly in Arizona would need some defense (edit: Kelly I think is in probably stronger position than Sinema would be), but the third most likely flip on that list would be New Hampshire and only if the right Republican runs or maybe Nevada. Retirements and deaths aside I don't see the Democrats having less than 48 Senate seats in the bank going into the 2022 midterms. Meanwhile the following GOP held seats would be targets for flipping:

WI, IA, NC, OH, PA, FL

Get 3 out of of those 6 plus GA and AZ and that's a 51 seat majority for democrats.
Most of your potential flips there have either already turned pretty solidly red (IA, OH, FL) or are, despite 2020 results, trending that way (WI, PA). NC is the odd one out as the state that has been red all along and might possibly be trending purple, but Dems keep falling short there in national races, including just now in what was supposed to be a wave election for them. The states to defend seem relatively more solid (except for AZ and maybe NV/NH and the distinct possibility that GA won't be a Dem defense in the first place), but it's worth bearing in mind that Dems lost that very same IL seat in the 2010 midterms and CO had a Republican senator as recently as literally yesterday. So you've actually got up to four potentially iffy defenses, the possibility for a surprise in any of the others (that 2010 election is also when the Dems lost MA), and, realistically, probably only two potential pickups in WI and PA, and those are by no means certain either.
grovester wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:24 pm
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:52 am
2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems, they are not going to take control of the Senate (and they will lose control of the House).
Bit of a harsh take.

I think voters were deliberately looking for divided government. They knew that a Trump 2nd term or a Dem sweep would lead to a lot of grand plans that probably wouldn't solve their immediate problems.

If we get the economic boom over the next 2 years that most are predicting, I'd guess that voters will try to maintain what's working, but not a bloodbath.

I also think we're minimizing the fact that the GOP has no fucking idea what it will be after 1/20/21.
I think it is hard to overstate just how bad 2020 actually was for the Dems. Biden winning at the top of the ticket seems to be obscuring just how thoroughly they shit the bed at every other level -- missing Senate seats in ME and NC that appeared to be in the bag (and ME wasn't especially close), losing every single House seat that the NYT had rated toss-up (plus a few more that had been rated as expected Dem wins), and essentially getting annihilated (again) at the state level. Those state results bode particularly badly for future House and state elections since Republicans will, once again, control redistricting in so many states. All of this happened in a presidential election cycle (ie, the only elections that Democrats reliably vote in) against an incumbent Republican president Dems especially hated. 2022 will be a midterm (which more Dem voters historically don't bother to show up for) under a Dem president (where the party in power usually loses seats anyway). I mean, nobody can predict the future, so sure, anything could happen, but if I were a betting man, my money would not be on the Dems in 2022.

User avatar
Anthony_Hugo98
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 258
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:50 pm
Location: Vicenza, IT

Re: Politics

Post by Anthony_Hugo98 »

I do find it especially odd that Biden was able to pull out such a substantial win, but so many Dem seats were lost. From a few articles I read, and anecdotal evidence I’ve seen, it seems like a majority of voters tend to go straight tickets. It makes me wonder how many voters just voted for the president, and didn’t bother for the rest of the ballot.
For all my military brothers and sisters out there, thanks for paving the way, ill do my best! AIRBORNE!

User avatar
grovester
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4168
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: Politics

Post by grovester »

I look forward to a fractured GOP putting extreme candidates up in the 2022 primaries.

alejandro46
New York Life
New York Life
Posts: 452
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:24 pm
Location: King in the North(Land)

Re: Politics

Post by alejandro46 »

Yes, the party of corruption and sedition is definitely going to gain more seats. I don't think Georgia will go well for Dems, but long term, the GOP is fracturing and tearing itself apart between the Sedition wing and the mainstream Mitt Romney/Susan Collins etc. who won't go along with it. I used to be a Republican (and worked for Republican candidate before even) but no more. They're dead to me.

From Steve Schmidt (Edited for clarity and formatting purposes):
UNDERSTANDING TRUMPISM
Trumpism is an American autocratic movement with Fascistic markers. There are seven specific parts that comprise its core:
1. THE LEADER. Donald Trump is the unquestioned leader of this movement. It is a cult of personality and there are no serious challengers against his leadership.
2 THUGS. The Proud Boys are but one example in a toxic stew of heavily armed Militias, White Nationalists and other right-wing extremists. As is always the case, their ranks are filled with people on the fringes of society; the lonely, dispossessed, aggrieved and resentful. Not so long ago, there would have been a near societal consensus around describing these people as losers. These people bring the menace of violence to politics and are kin to the same thuggish rabble that were wearing brown and black shirts 100 years ago.
3. ELITES. All Autocratic movements fuse an unholy alliance between society’s elites and losers. It is a coalition of convenience between two groups who despise each other yet need each other. The boundless cynicism of the elites and the endless grievances of the losers become an unbreakable cement. Sen. Josh Hawley and Sen. Ted Cruz are perfect examples. Hawley graduated from Stanford and Yale Law School. He taught at Oxford and clerked for the Chief Justice of the United States. Cruz graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law School. They have become completely faithless to their oaths and American democracy in the name of their ambition. They have no convictions, only self-interest.
4. PROPAGANDISTS. Autocratic movements are built on and sustained by lies. Political lying and conspiracy theories have become billion-dollar businesses. Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Social Media, Talk Radio dividers, Infowars etc. have poisoned the American polity and created the conditions for Trump to create an alternate reality that is now a lethal threat to American liberty.
5. FINANCIERS. This autocratic movement is financed by donations from some of America’s largest and best-known companies and brands in the form of millions of dollars of donations to the entities that fund the political careers of the men and women who will soon be rising on the floor of the United States Congress to betray American democracy. AT&T and Charles Schwab are two such companies. The list includes some of America’s wealthiest and most powerful individuals. Mostly they are disconnected from any interest or idea of the public good other than the selfishness of self-interest.
6. RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS. Trump has surrounded himself with a group of loony, corrupt, hateful, sacrilegious charlatans that make a mockery of decency and goodness with every public utterance.
7. SHEEP. None of what is happening could happen without the silent complicity of a legion of men and women who lack the conviction, guts and integrity to stand up against Trump’s mean tweets and thousands of indecent, corrupt, cruel and incompetent acts. These men and women are no different than all of their predecessors who found collaboration with what they knew to be immoral or evil as more convenient than resisting it. They are the weaklings and appeasers. They are the fools and the naive. They are the blind for whom what is obvious and true is far less preferable to delusion and pretend.
In order to win the fight, we must understand 1) Why are we fighting, and 2) Who are we fighting? We must be clear eyed about this. The stakes are too high.
THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
The die is cast for the Republican Party. It will be destroyed on January 6th in much the same way the Whig party was destroyed by the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854. The act unraveled the Missouri compromise and allowed for the westward expansion of slavery. The party could not survive its factionalism. There could be no more accommodation, compromise and partnership between pro-slavery and anti-slavery Whigs. A new political party was born, the Republican Party.
That party will divide into irreconcilable factions on January 6th. The 6th will commence a political civil war inside the GOP. The autocratic side will roll over the pro-democracy remnant of the GOP like the Wehrmacht did the Belgian Army in 1940. The ‘22 GOP primary season will be a bloodletting.
The 6th will be a loyalty test. The purge will follow. Does anybody doubt the outcome of the Ivanka Trump vs Marco Rubio primary in Florida? Anyone willing to make a bet on Rob Portman?
It turns out JFK was right. The problem of trying to ride the tiger is the likelihood of winding up inside the tiger.
The poisonous fruit from four years of collaboration and complicity with Trump’s insanity, illiberalism and incompetence are ready for harvest. It will kill the GOP because it’s Pro-Democracy faction and Autocratic factions can no more exist together then could the Whig Party hold together the abolitionist with the slave master.
It won’t happen overnight, but the destination is clear. The Conservative party in America is dead. It may continue to bear the name “Republican” but it will be no such thing. Fascism has indeed come to America and as was once predicted, it is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
This movement must be defeated. It cannot be appeased, accommodated, or negotiated with. It must be recognized for what it is, and we must all recognize the new age of American politics it has wrought. It has reset the debate entirely. There are only two sides in American politics now. There is the American side and the Autocratic side. May God help us all if we falter, flag, or fail in defense of American democracy.
WHAT TO EXPECT THIS WEEK
2021 will be a hard year in the life of the American nation. There is a great struggle that lies before us and our disbelief at its arrival must not blind us to the lethal danger it poses to the American experiment.
The poisonous bounty of Trump’s catastrophic Presidency is ready for harvest and the whole world will get to watch his seditious antics play out during a joint session of Congress on January 6th. It will play out as a farce and it will fail. Nearly 100 years on, America will have its version of the Beer Hall Putsch.
The danger lies in the act, not the outcome. We are in a dangerous moment and I’d like to try my best to explain how I see it.
Before I start, there is an important matter of fact which unfortunately needs restating: Joe Biden won the Presidential election decisively.
The election was free, fair and legitimate. There is no evidence of any widespread fraud. Allegations of fraud are premeditated lies being made by a rancid assortment of Trump’s stooges and propagandists.
With the exception of a few of the more addled House GOP members like Louis Gohmert, every single House Member and every US Senator that participates in denying this reality and thus the legitimacy of our election does so as a cynical act which they know for certain has no legitimate basis.
Such actions are a grievous sin against American democracy and a brutal betrayal of their oaths of office and duty. They will be desecrating the blood sacrifices of 13 generations of American Patriots of all creeds and origins who died so that our children could be free. They are fighting to maintain the power of a defeated President against the sovereign will of the American people as lawfully exercised under the Constitution of the United States. They are fighting to establish a tyranny. They are deliberately poisoning faith and belief in American democracy.
Democratic Republic’s cannot survive such a collapse. The system is rooted in the willingness of one side to cede power to another at the will of the people. There are no other systems of government except for this type that are free. The legitimacy of that system is being strangled by Trump’s lies and the lies of his movement. That movement is an autocratic one with fascistic markers. It is hostile to the American Constitution, the rule of law and the highest ideas and ideals of American liberty.
January 6 will be a historic day in America. The battle lines will be drawn. The Autocrats will step forward into the light. They will include a majority of the House GOP Conference.
After the 6th Rep. Kevin McCarthy will be the leader of House Autocrats and Rep. Liz Cheney will be the leader of House Conservatives. The Autocrats will include a substantial number of GOP Senators and almost all of the known GOP Presidential aspirants.
The Rubicon will be crossed on the 6th. The ruthless and amoral cynicism of Sens. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, James Lankford, and Josh Hawley will be on appalling display. It must be opposed fiercely. It must be recognized for what it is.
Another storm is gathering in the constant struggle between liberty and her enemies. Trump has unleashed the furies and has found his following. It will be a long fight. At the hour of his defeat and defenestration, Trump has done his greatest damage.
This is a movement that is fueled by lies, conspiracies, corruption, greed, extremism, racism, grievance, resentment, cynicism and a profound absence of love for America. It is right to feel anger and contempt towards its leaders and enablers. There is only one proposition that America’s pro-democracy coalition can offer to these people. “We win- you lose.” It’s that simple.
Sedition is the precise word and the right word to describe what we have been witnessing. Never before have so many American leaders betrayed their country. We will watch their eternal disgrace on live TV. The evidence of their ignominy will exist forever as will the memory of their monumental betrayal.
Shame on them all.

DColeKC
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: Politics

Post by DColeKC »

^^^^ Haven’t read that much bullshit since the last Onion article I read.

User avatar
Highlander
Mark Twain Tower
Mark Twain Tower
Posts: 9341
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:40 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Politics

Post by Highlander »

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:25 pm
I do find it especially odd that Biden was able to pull out such a substantial win, but so many Dem seats were lost. From a few articles I read, and anecdotal evidence I’ve seen, it seems like a majority of voters tend to go straight tickets. It makes me wonder how many voters just voted for the president, and didn’t bother for the rest of the ballot.
Not sure that's really what happened. I think a lot of voters regardless of where they stood in terms of party politics simply did not like Donald Trump. I'm an independent that wasn't very keen on Hillary Clinton 4 years before (I stopped short of voting for Trump though and abstained) and just figured I'd bit the bullet with Biden this time because I felt Trump had to go. I would not underestimate the negative feelings for Trump across a broad range of political backgrounds regardless of where an individual voter stood on local elections.

User avatar
Major KC Fan
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 114
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:20 pm

Re: Politics

Post by Major KC Fan »

Steve Schmidt has taken what for him has been a very painful but heartfelt stand against what was formerly the Republican Party. He accurately analyzes the growing split in that party and takes no pleasure in it. He has been a true conservative that respects the Constitution and is sounding the alarm about the current threat to our democracy. Having observed American politics since the 60’s and all that has happened since that tumultuous decade, his words ring true. I’ve rarely agreed with his conservative posture in the past, but I’ve always respected his integrity and love of American democracy. It’s a shame some people discount his analysis and show no respect for his patriotism. I hope current events don’t result in a future without his or your right to express your opinion about our American democracy. You want to talk bullshit-Q-Anon, fake news, alternative facts— give me a break.!

phuqueue
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:33 pm

Re: Politics

Post by phuqueue »

grovester wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:27 pm
I look forward to a fractured GOP putting extreme candidates up in the 2022 primaries.
Kinda like in 2016, when fevered speculation about action on the convention floor to block Trump's nomination and calls from other Republicans for him to drop out as late as the Access Hollywood tape in October gave way to 92% support for Trump among Republican voters and, of course, a Trump presidency?

It seems like, instead of offering substantive policies to make this country a little bit less awful, Democrats just keep waiting for things that are outside of their control to gift them power. Eight years ago we were hearing all about how demographics were going to permanently bury the Republican party. Now it's that they're helpfully just going to self-immolate. When that prediction fails to vanquish them, what are we going to hope for next? I think the "fractures" in the GOP are vastly overstated anyway. The main point of disagreement among them seems to be whether to keep saying the quiet part out loud after Trump goes away.
alejandro46 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:11 pm
Yes, the party of corruption and sedition is definitely going to gain more seats. I don't think Georgia will go well for Dems, but long term, the GOP is fracturing and tearing itself apart between the Sedition wing and the mainstream Mitt Romney/Susan Collins etc. who won't go along with it. I used to be a Republican (and worked for Republican candidate before even) but no more. They're dead to me.
Have the "mainstream Mitt Romney/Susan Collins etc" ever actually broken with Trump in a substantive way? They're fond of putting out statements expressing their stern disapproval of whatever, but when the vote comes up on the Senate floor, what do they do? The ACA repeal vote (which ultimately just saved the GOP from itself) is the only major Collins vote I can think of that nominally went against the party.

DColeKC
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: Politics

Post by DColeKC »

Major KC Fan wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:26 am
Steve Schmidt has taken what for him has been a very painful but heartfelt stand against what was formerly the Republican Party. He accurately analyzes the growing split in that party and takes no pleasure in it. He has been a true conservative that respects the Constitution and is sounding the alarm about the current threat to our democracy. Having observed American politics since the 60’s and all that has happened since that tumultuous decade, his words ring true. I’ve rarely agreed with his conservative posture in the past, but I’ve always respected his integrity and love of American democracy. It’s a shame some people discount his analysis and show no respect for his patriotism. I hope current events don’t result in a future without his or your right to express your opinion about our American democracy. You want to talk bullshit-Q-Anon, fake news, alternative facts— give me a break.!
I don’t want to take the time to break down my opinion on his opinion and I don’t mean to imply there isn’t some I agree with. However his take on “Trumpism” has many points I disagree with and are a bit extreme.

I also think Q-Anon is a bunch of crazy people just like the woke white cat loving females who suddenly came to power as the all knowing moral compass.

I think our #1 domestic threat is the media, including social media. The media has always held too much power but the twitters and facebooks of the world are insanely out of control. As long as media companies are ran by people who let their personal politics influence how the company is ran, and this includes Fox News, getting equal treatment and equal censorship/fact checking will never happen.

100% of the bullshit I hear people peddling comes from something they’ve seen on social media.

User avatar
grovester
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4168
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: Politics

Post by grovester »

phuqueue wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:01 am
grovester wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:27 pm
I look forward to a fractured GOP putting extreme candidates up in the 2022 primaries.
Kinda like in 2016, when fevered speculation about action on the convention floor to block Trump's nomination and calls from other Republicans for him to drop out as late as the Access Hollywood tape in October gave way to 92% support for Trump among Republican voters and, of course, a Trump presidency?

It seems like, instead of offering substantive policies to make this country a little bit less awful, Democrats just keep waiting for things that are outside of their control to gift them power. Eight years ago we were hearing all about how demographics were going to permanently bury the Republican party. Now it's that they're helpfully just going to self-immolate. When that prediction fails to vanquish them, what are we going to hope for next? I think the "fractures" in the GOP are vastly overstated anyway. The main point of disagreement among them seems to be whether to keep saying the quiet part out loud after Trump goes away.
No, like how Kelly beats Kobach but Bollier doesn't beat Marshall.

Then Marshall shows his ass, keeps pushing right.

You are correct about the "out loud" part. Trump will make them say it out loud and it will cost them.

User avatar
TheLastGentleman
Valencia Place
Valencia Place
Posts: 1900
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:27 pm

Re: Politics

Post by TheLastGentleman »

DColeKC wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:14 am
I also think Q-Anon is a bunch of crazy people just like the woke white cat loving females who suddenly came to power as the all knowing moral compass.
??????

DColeKC
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 931
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: Politics

Post by DColeKC »

TheLastGentleman wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:05 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:14 am
I also think Q-Anon is a bunch of crazy people just like the woke white cat loving females who suddenly came to power as the all knowing moral compass.
??????
Yes? I’m so over “woke” culture. White women who think they’re voice matters on topics of race more than others and more than POC. I see it constantly on social media where these rude, woke people are so quick to offer up their opinions and can’t even engage in civil debate. 9 out of 10 times if you click on their profile, they’ve got a cat.

He may be a comedian, but Bill Burr nailed it.

“I’ve got to tell you, the way white women somehow hijacked the woke movement ... generals around the world should be analyzing this,” Burr said. “The woke movement was supposed to be about people of color not getting opportunities... finally making that happen. And it was about that for about eight seconds. And then somehow, white women swung their Gucci-booted feet over the fence of oppression and stuck themselves at the front of the line.”

Post Reply