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im2kull wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:58 am
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 am
Outdoor activities like sports, outdoor dining and concerts, etc aren't likely to be major spreading events. I haven't been back to KC since the pandemic began, so I don't know what it actually looks like on the ground there (anecdotally, my mom says her church has imposed capacity limits to facilitate distancing, and I know she at least continues to mask up in public spaces, but I don't know if she or her church are outliers in those respects), but higher (even if not great) vax rate + higher (even if not great) mask rate + outdoor rather than indoor activities probably collectively account for much of the difference.
Ya'lls hypocrisy is showing. Just stop.


First Fridays/Arrowhead Concerts/PnL District Events/Crowded Bars/etc,etc -- "Aren't likely to be major spreading events"

vs

Lake of the Ozarks outdoor event - "OMG SO MUCH SUPER SPREADERSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!"
Sturgis motorcycle rally - "OMG HOW DARE THEY GATHER MOTORCYCLISTS IN ONE BIG CITY AND ENJOY WALKING OUTSIDE TOGETHER!!!!!"
It's almost like we have learned new information about how the virus spreads, which activities are reasonably safe, and which ones aren't in the more than a year since the Ozarks party and Sturgis made headlines

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There is no such thing as new information, all information is permanently static because science is fake news. I mean, duh.

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phuqueue wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:26 am
im2kull wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:58 am
phuqueue wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 am
Outdoor activities like sports, outdoor dining and concerts, etc aren't likely to be major spreading events. I haven't been back to KC since the pandemic began, so I don't know what it actually looks like on the ground there (anecdotally, my mom says her church has imposed capacity limits to facilitate distancing, and I know she at least continues to mask up in public spaces, but I don't know if she or her church are outliers in those respects), but higher (even if not great) vax rate + higher (even if not great) mask rate + outdoor rather than indoor activities probably collectively account for much of the difference.
Ya'lls hypocrisy is showing. Just stop.


First Fridays/Arrowhead Concerts/PnL District Events/Crowded Bars/etc,etc -- "Aren't likely to be major spreading events"

vs

Lake of the Ozarks outdoor event - "OMG SO MUCH SUPER SPREADERSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!"
Sturgis motorcycle rally - "OMG HOW DARE THEY GATHER MOTORCYCLISTS IN ONE BIG CITY AND ENJOY WALKING OUTSIDE TOGETHER!!!!!"
It's almost like we have learned new information about how the virus spreads, which activities are reasonably safe, and which ones aren't in the more than a year since the Ozarks party and Sturgis made headlines
We have but we still see this headlines: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/so ... y-n1277567

Which is probably true someone unvaxxed went to a bar or whatever up there and got the virus. Same thing happens after sporting events too it doesnt get reported as such. Why? I'd imagine part of it might be political the other part is people just dont care anymore and it's not going to stop them from doing what they are going to. Me personally? I'm vaccinated so I'm the latter. This thing isnt going anyway so we might as well learn to live with it. Sadly some in this country have decided to handle it poorly IE: not get vaccinated

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I mean, kull seems to be whining about perceived shaming/fearmongering, which did happen last year around the Ozarks party, Sturgis, etc. That article is reporting an actual increase in cases immediately following Sturgis, and I wouldn't characterize that reporting as "hypocritical," since Provincetown was reported on the same way a few months ago. It's also not really right to compare mixed indoor/outdoor events that take place over a number of days, like Sturgis (or Provincetown), to fully outdoor activities that are one-off events, like a baseball or football game or concert, but kull has never really been one for arguing in good faith (see also how he expanded my list of fully outdoor events that are comparatively safe to also include "crowded bars," but it is not worthwhile to dwell on things like this with him).

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phuqueue wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 pm
I mean, kull seems to be whining about perceived shaming/fearmongering, which did happen last year around the Ozarks party, Sturgis, etc. That article is reporting an actual increase in cases immediately following Sturgis, and I wouldn't characterize that reporting as "hypocritical," since Provincetown was reported on the same way a few months ago. It's also not really right to compare mixed indoor/outdoor events that take place over a number of days, like Sturgis (or Provincetown), to fully outdoor activities that are one-off events, like a baseball or football game or concert, but kull has never really been one for arguing in good faith (see also how he expanded my list of fully outdoor events that are comparatively safe to also include "crowded bars," but it is not worthwhile to dwell on things like this with him).
Baseball isn't fully outdoors. The riskiest point at the stadiums would be the gift shops, hall of fame, etc and Kauffman has had mask requirements inside these spaces.


I bet Sturgis didn't spread Covid because of people going to an outside motorcycle event and wouldn't have if it was just that. Everyone needs to fill up their gas tank arriving in town and you go inside to buy cigarettes, drinks, snacks and all that stuff. So that's thousands of people all getting gas at the same few gas stations on the same few streets to the same town. Same for Lake of the Ozarks with boating. Your classic big party weekend isn't limited to people on boats, you get friends together and rent a room to share or take an RV for your extended family.

I saw an example on reddit of some business convention and someone flew there knowing they were sick, untested, and got multiple other people sick doing things indoors at it.
I saw another one of story of a group photo without masks, indoors. They had ten people in the photo test positive.



I run a youth program and we have an inside mask requirement. We just held a big outdoor program with zero masks. That pairing has been our rule since the mask mandate went back into effect.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/08/health/k ... index.html

1 in 500 children, 140,000, have lost a parent or grandparent who care for them
Minorities make up 2/3 of this group.

About 2/3 of black families have a single parent, about 40% Hispanic, about 25% white

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#1 cause of death age 35-54 in September

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live- ... =true&s=09

In 2016 it was unintentional injuries, so car crashes, falling, accidental poisoning, work injuries and the like

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And there's this.

COVID is leading cause of death among police officers
The pandemic has taken a devastating toll on police departments across the country. COVID-19 is now killing more law enforcement officers than any other threat they face in the line of duty — 716 officers have died since March 2020, according to the Fraternal Order of Police.
...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-p ... use-death/

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FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:17 pm
And there's this.

COVID is leading cause of death among police officers
The pandemic has taken a devastating toll on police departments across the country. COVID-19 is now killing more law enforcement officers than any other threat they face in the line of duty — 716 officers have died since March 2020, according to the Fraternal Order of Police.
...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-p ... use-death/
I dont feel sorry for them. Large amounts are unvaccinated and have threatened to walk off the job if they have to get it.

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Dying kinda sucks even if you disagree with the deceased's politics. The problem is less that they don't want it, and more the bullshit machines that are feeding this crap. We have gone from a society that refused to believe anything that appeared on the internet was true to one that believes everything that appears on the internet must be true. So I think we're probably just too dumb to survive. Which sucks, but I mean, c'est la vie. We made this bed, and now we must sleep in it.

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Must be the lead water pipes and microplastics in our blood.

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Found this statement on Reddit. Have no reason to believe it’s not true
We just looked at a house for our son with the seller names being a young boy and a girl Trust. The parents are deceased. Get vaccinated.
This is what I don’t understand, adults being so deep in the rabbit hole they don’t care about their children.

Hopefully for the children’s sake their deaths was before the vaccine and they had no chance.
Because to learn when they get older that they made a choice that led to their death won’t be taken well.

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