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Re: COVID19

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OK, but when tornado sirens go off, do they run outside in the middle of the storm and say, "SCREW YOU GOVERNMENT, I WON'T LIVE IN FEAR!"? I doubt it. There is a certain level of mistrust of government that is rational, and then there's being an idiot. Which I wish there was a better word for because I know for a fact that some of the people I'm calling an idiot there AREN'T idiots, but they sure are acting like idiots and running towards the tornado instead of taking shelter.

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mean wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:25 pm
OK, but when tornado sirens go off, do they run outside in the middle of the storm and say, "SCREW YOU GOVERNMENT, I WON'T LIVE IN FEAR!"? I doubt it. There is a certain level of mistrust of government that is rational, and then there's being an idiot. Which I wish there was a better word for because I know for a fact that some of the people I'm calling an idiot there AREN'T idiots, but they sure are acting like idiots and running towards the tornado instead of taking shelter.
I think most of the anti-covid crowd know a Tornado is an act of nature but think governments are capable of creating lies or creating viruses. I do know if the government put out mandatory lockdowns for 12 hours due to a high likelihood of a tornado, the same people would fight it. Just like some of the "Going to ride it out" types in hurricane areas.

These people have seen the damage a storm can do, but can't seem to process data on the CDC website. It's just not as tangible to them.

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Google Maps has a COVID layer that shows 7-day moving average of new COVID cases per 100K population. Is interesting that even though MO has supposedly been behind US with vaccinations, MO as a state is well below US avg for new cases, one of lowest for recent new cases per 100K pops.

As of Feb 14, new cases in last 7 days per 100K pops...
US Avg: 29.7
MO: 15.5
KS: 26.7
KCMO: 10.4
Jackson Cty: 11.9
JoCo: 27.4
STL City: 15
STL County: 21.7

High states...
FL: 36.1
TX: 42.1
SC: 68

Fortunately nearly all states are now decreasing cases and deaths as well but curious if that may mean that lockdowns and/or high mask compliance are more effective than vaccines for preventing COVID spread. There still isn't enough information that solidly indicates COVID vax prevents spreading. The vaxs are apparently more effective with preventing symptoms and hospitalizations/deaths, but apparently those with vax can still spread even 2 weeks after second shot.

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...and South Carolina will be a state to watch as it's one of first states to have both UK and South African variants. Cases were going down like rest of US but now showing signs of an uptick. Hopefully it's not a trend, of course for rest of US and planet too...

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... -carolina/

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earthling wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:41 pm
Google Maps has a COVID layer that shows 7-day moving average of new COVID cases per 100K population. Is interesting that even though MO has supposedly been behind US with vaccinations, MO as a state is well below US avg for new cases, one of lowest for recent new cases per 100K pops.

As of Feb 14, new cases in last 7 days per 100K pops...
US Avg: 29.7
MO: 15.5
KS: 26.7
KCMO: 10.4
Jackson Cty: 11.9
JoCo: 27.4
STL City: 15
STL County: 21.7

High states...
FL: 36.1
TX: 42.1
SC: 68

Fortunately nearly all states are now decreasing cases and deaths as well but curious if that may mean that lockdowns and/or high mask compliance are more effective than vaccines for preventing COVID spread. There still isn't enough information that solidly indicates COVID vax prevents spreading. The vaxs are apparently more effective with preventing symptoms and hospitalizations/deaths, but apparently those with vax can still spread even 2 weeks after second shot.
In other words this is seasonal, just like the flu and most other viruses. This should be a surprise to nobody. We should be trending down solid now until April. Then pick back up again next October. Welcome to virology 101.

I feel like John Madden now, having to point out all the obvious things. 🙄

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Re: COVID19

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Not obvious that seasonal is a factor entirely as US flu season tends to peak in Feb, not drop. Global (varied seasons) infection rates are going down including southern hemisphere. Partial immunity buildup is one possible explanation for global decline. But doesn't entirely explain why KCMO and STL infection rates are notably lower than other metro counties and MO lower than most other states. NY State, NJ and Mass are above US avg, like much of South.

Is curious given MO is behind rest of US in vaccine rollout, and KC/STL are lagging behind rest of MO.

And then there's South Carolina, which is one of first states with both UK and S African variants now showing signs of an uptick in infection rate. Need a couple more weeks of data to see if really a trend (click 7 day moving average).

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i don't know how interesting this will be to anyone else, but i had a call with a district of kansas judge this week. the judge indicated their personal belief was that the way things appear to be trending now with covid numbers, the current d. kan. administrative order suspending in-person activities (trials, hearings, etc.) would likely not be extended further past its current effective date of 3/31/2021.

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wahoowa wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:23 am
i don't know how interesting this will be to anyone else, but i had a call with a district of kansas judge this week. the judge indicated their personal belief was that the way things appear to be trending now with covid numbers, the current d. kan. administrative order suspending in-person activities (trials, hearings, etc.) would likely not be extended further past its current effective date of 3/31/2021.
I love it. While we are still behind after 3 quarters of football, we are trending towards possibly winning the game, so we have decided to pull our starters and change the game strategy.

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bobbyhawks wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:17 pm
wahoowa wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:23 am
i don't know how interesting this will be to anyone else, but i had a call with a district of kansas judge this week. the judge indicated their personal belief was that the way things appear to be trending now with covid numbers, the current d. kan. administrative order suspending in-person activities (trials, hearings, etc.) would likely not be extended further past its current effective date of 3/31/2021.
I love it. While we are still behind after 3 quarters of football, we are trending towards possibly winning the game, so we have decided to pull our starters and change the game strategy.
That's what we did last year too. We locked everything down for March / April and then by May as election season was heating up we opened everything back up and had a debate over wearing masks which led to a major spike. Then some places tightened up again but things loosened around the holidays leading to another major spike. Now as it's trending down we decide "we're good" and watch for another major spike in the next 3-4 weeks.

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Well, it's a little different now with vaccine supply expected to improve dramatically in March (with a third EUA for the J&J vaccine about to drop any day now). Yeah, we could still fuck this up again...

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ztonyg wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:40 pm
We locked everything down for March / April and then by May as election season was heating up we opened everything back up and had a debate over wearing masks which led to a major spike.
Do you guys actually listen to the irrational things you say before you post them, or just let it rip?

To say that we had a debate over wearing masks, which led to a major spike is just idiotic. Mask wearing was and has been at the highest level ever. Virtually everyone's been wearing masks for the entire last year now. Unless there was suddenly some giant mask-free crowds in KC that I didn't see...? Perhaps at the riots?

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im2kull wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:50 am
ztonyg wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:40 pm
We locked everything down for March / April and then by May as election season was heating up we opened everything back up and had a debate over wearing masks which led to a major spike.
Do you guys actually listen to the irrational things you say before you post them, or just let it rip?

To say that we had a debate over wearing masks, which led to a major spike is just idiotic. Mask wearing was and has been at the highest level ever. Virtually everyone's been wearing masks for the entire last year now. Unless there was suddenly some giant mask-free crowds in KC that I didn't see...? Perhaps at the riots?
I think you're confusing us with New Zealand mate.

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im2kull wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:50 am
Unless there was suddenly some giant mask-free crowds in KC that I didn't see...?
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