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Riverite wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:15 am
earthling wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:07 am
If the case you'd think the next one built would still be called 4 Light no matter the location.
Agreed
I think they would want 2,3 & 4 to line up along truman.

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I wonder what the chances of 4 and 5 Light being built? 3 seems to be in jeopardy at this point.

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beermestrength wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:52 am
I wonder what the chances of 4 and 5 Light being built? 3 seems to be in jeopardy at this point.
If leasing continues to be successful, there will be a 6 light within the next ten years or so.
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Rabble wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:01 am
A fairly reliable source told me that 5 light could happen before 4 light because it will have more affordable apartments on a smaller foot print. But the great news is 5 light would replace this nothing retail building at 14th & main. The hotel president will have a worthy neighbor and this intersection could be one of the best in the city.

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DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:20 pm
Rabble wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:01 am
A fairly reliable source told me that 5 light could happen before 4 light because it will have more affordable apartments on a smaller foot print. But the great news is 5 light would replace this nothing retail building at 14th & main. The hotel president will have a worthy neighbor and this intersection could be one of the best in the city.

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Mostly accurate.
Long down the road are they open to replacing many of the other low rise buildings in pnl with high rise?

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Wouldn't that be a tight squeeze next to the Strata?

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Riverite wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:22 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:20 pm
Rabble wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:01 am
A fairly reliable source told me that 5 light could happen before 4 light because it will have more affordable apartments on a smaller foot print. But the great news is 5 light would replace this nothing retail building at 14th & main. The hotel president will have a worthy neighbor and this intersection could be one of the best in the city.

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Mostly accurate.
Long down the road are they open to replacing many of the other low rise buildings in pnl with high rise?
Very open as residential demand may continue to outpace traditional retail. They will also be numbered in the order they’re built regardless of location.

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DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:25 pm
Very open as residential demand may continue to outpace traditional retail. They will also be numbered in the order they’re built regardless of location.
They would still have ground floor retail though right?

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That needs to be required at this location for sure.

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Riverite wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:28 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:25 pm
Very open as residential demand may continue to outpace traditional retail. They will also be numbered in the order they’re built regardless of location.
They would still have ground floor retail though right?
this site is around the size of 1 Light and they have a retail space + lobby

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This retail building is over 10 years old and I'm almost certain it never had a single tenant in the corner.

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That is accurate.

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Rabble wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:41 pm
This retail building is over 10 years old and I'm almost certain it never had a single tenant in the corner.
It they wanted to reserve the entire space as a single lobby Id probably support it

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Maybe another bank lobby?

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KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:09 pm
That needs to be required at this location for sure.
Would still have some retail space available as all their residential buildings will. Just wouldn’t replace the exact amount that’s currently there.

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DColeKC wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:35 pm
Would still have some retail space available as all their residential buildings will. Just wouldn’t replace the exact amount that’s currently there.
The increase in population would support more retail elsewhere, we still have empty spaces anyways

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The city needs to monitor this. We are relying on sales taxes to help cover some costs, loss of retail opportunities is going to impact the general fund even more. The fact it sat empty since opening really doesn't change the concern.

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KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:48 pm
The city needs to monitor this. We are relying on sales taxes to help cover some costs, loss of retail opportunities is going to impact the general fund even more. The fact it sat empty since opening really doesn't change the concern.
Not really losing any sales tax revenue with that current area. Zafar and polished edge probably generate 1/20th the sales tax of Chipotle.

It’s sat empty for a reason. 300+ more people living in that space is much more valuable than any retail in the same square footage to both the city and downtown business.

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I totally understand the history of the space but every square foot that is removed eliminates any future chance of sales tax dollars ever coming in again. Maybe it's fine in this situation but overall the city needs to keep an eye on the available square footage available to generate tax dollars.

300 more people living there AND retail space remaining is obviously still an option.

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KCPowercat wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:04 pm
I totally understand the history of the space but every square foot that is removed eliminates any future chance of sales tax dollars ever coming in again. Maybe it's fine in this situation but overall the city needs to keep an eye on the available square footage available to generate tax dollars.

300 more people living there AND retail space remaining is obviously still an option.
A half-size retail space with high sales is a lot more beneficial than a big space that doesn't get much traffic. A residential building would also bring more $$$ to the other businesses in the district. The current plan hasn't worked for 10+ years so may as well give it 5 more(when 5 Light would break ground) and then try something new.

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