OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by shinatoo » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:30 am

Should be easy to replace as this, likely, has nothing to do with infrastructure.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:24 pm

shinatoo wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:30 am
Should be easy to replace as this, likely, has nothing to do with infrastructure.
The hard part is done, which is conduit ran to a equipment room which houses the playback software. Really a very simple thing to fix.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by kboish » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:32 pm

DColeKC, has Cordish ever discussed replacing/re-organizing the sidewalks along Main from 670 to 12th? Those are the worst part of the district, experience wise.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 pm

kboish wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:32 pm
DColeKC, has Cordish ever discussed replacing/re-organizing the sidewalks along Main from 670 to 12th? Those are the worst part of the district, experience wise.
As far as the brick surface and inconstant level? The brick overall has been a nightmare!

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by kboish » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm

DColeKC wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 pm
kboish wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:32 pm
DColeKC, has Cordish ever discussed replacing/re-organizing the sidewalks along Main from 670 to 12th? Those are the worst part of the district, experience wise.
As far as the brick surface and inconstant level? The brick overall has been a nightmare!
Yeah. That and just the fact that you can't walk-in a straight line down the east side of the street because its so cluttered and awkwardly setup. From the tree planters, outward opening doors, protruding staircases, streetcar poles, 2 different sets of street lamps, multiple drives, and just general narrowness for how heavily used it is...its almost never a pleasant experience to walk down.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:05 am

kboish wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 pm
kboish wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:32 pm
DColeKC, has Cordish ever discussed replacing/re-organizing the sidewalks along Main from 670 to 12th? Those are the worst part of the district, experience wise.
As far as the brick surface and inconstant level? The brick overall has been a nightmare!
Yeah. That and just the fact that you can't walk-in a straight line down the east side of the street because its so cluttered and awkwardly setup. From the tree planters, outward opening doors, protruding staircases, streetcar poles, 2 different sets of street lamps, multiple drives, and just general narrowness for how heavily used it is...its almost never a pleasant experience to walk down.

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I was with them through the streetcar process and we did discuss how the sidewalk wasn’t a great pedestrian experience. It was already narrow before the additional streetcar infrastructure went in. The only improvement I could see being effective would be removing the planter boxes?

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by earthling » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:08 am

It never made sense to use such huge planter boxes with narrow sidewalks to being with. About as counter-intuitive as it gets. Or is that an argument against Cordish you couldn't agree with. :)

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by smh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:09 am

DColeKC wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:05 am
kboish wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:03 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 pm


As far as the brick surface and inconstant level? The brick overall has been a nightmare!
Yeah. That and just the fact that you can't walk-in a straight line down the east side of the street because its so cluttered and awkwardly setup. From the tree planters, outward opening doors, protruding staircases, streetcar poles, 2 different sets of street lamps, multiple drives, and just general narrowness for how heavily used it is...its almost never a pleasant experience to walk down.

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I was with them through the streetcar process and we did discuss how the sidewalk wasn’t a great pedestrian experience. It was already narrow before the additional streetcar infrastructure went in. The only improvement I could see being effective would be removing the planter boxes?
As much as I love the trees and plants, I would be open to removing them on this stretch only because the sidewalk simply isn't wide enough for the level of foot traffic. Maybe add some awnings to the 1200 block to make up for the absence of trees?

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by earthling » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:20 am

Hey youse guys, when you quote messages with pictures, please strip the picture link out unless carried over to a new page.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:22 am

It’s definitely the least friendly sidewalk in the district. A big battle has always been aesthetic vs function. I usually saw aesthetic win which was highly annoying and frustrating.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by KCPowercat » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:05 am

yes the sidwalk LOS right by H&R is very poor. The planters need to be half as wide at best. They aren't even that aesthetically pleasing as is.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:43 am

It doesn't help the sidewalk is very narrow next to H&R, so even removing the planters completely doesn't create the kind of sidewalk needed to handle the amount of traffic is sees.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by KCPowercat » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:02 pm

this is true but it would help. Not good urban design.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:02 pm
this is true but it would help. Not good urban design.
Poor design from the beginning, but not everyone was on the same page with the total footprint of H&R which is where the sidewalk gets pinched down.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:20 pm

DColeKC wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm
KCPowercat wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:02 pm
this is true but it would help. Not good urban design.
Poor design from the beginning, but not everyone was on the same page with the total footprint of H&R which is where the sidewalk gets pinched down.
Why not remove the curbs that limit the sidewalk space and install steel tree well covers like the block to the north? That stretch is such an embarrassing design blunder.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DColeKC » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:26 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:20 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm
KCPowercat wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:02 pm
this is true but it would help. Not good urban design.
Poor design from the beginning, but not everyone was on the same page with the total footprint of H&R which is where the sidewalk gets pinched down.
Why not remove the curbs that limit the sidewalk space and install steel tree well covers like the block to the north? That stretch is such an embarrassing design blunder.
I don't know Dave. You're familiar with design embarrassments, but not in regards to actual physical structures, more of the web-based kind.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by KCPowercat » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:16 am

Wtf?

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by Riverite » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 am

DColeKC wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:26 am
DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:20 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm


Poor design from the beginning, but not everyone was on the same page with the total footprint of H&R which is where the sidewalk gets pinched down.
Why not remove the curbs that limit the sidewalk space and install steel tree well covers like the block to the north? That stretch is such an embarrassing design blunder.
I don't know Dave. You're familiar with design embarrassments, but not in regards to actual physical structures, more of the web-based kind.
Bro why are you taking everything so personally and being such a dick. Everything is flawed nothing is perfect,people understand that. But when you are just using whataboutism and telling everyone their wrong it makes
People trust you less. Just accept feedback and move on

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Re: OFFICIAL: Power & Light District

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:10 am

I mean, it's true I managed to delete my own blog and can't figure out how to restore it...

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