KC-wildcat wrote:
Of course you have a "say." My question is, why do you time out of your day to get on a pro-development message board for the purpose of espousing anti-development rhetoric.
Legitimate question. I mean kcrag has plenty of other forums in which you would be perfectly happy. Why waste your time in the Downtown and P&L threads? It is obvious that you haven't been DT in 20+ years and it is also quite apparent that you have no intention of returning.
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What makes you think I am against development? I am pro-development. What I am against is any development that costs the taxpayers too much for the benefit given as opposed to some of you who appear to say "any" development is better no matter what it costs the taxpayer.
20+ years!!!!! That is a laugh. I am downtown more than you realize and I will spend more time dt when it is worthwhile to me.
I may be right. I may be wrong. But there is a lot of gray area in-between.
I don't live downtown, but a coworker lives in the River Market. I asked her what she and her husband thought of it. They said it was great...but they wouldn't be shopping there. They both said the prices were too high.
I personally don't know how far out of line they are, but they said it was still worth it to them to go to their other grocery stores. I have a feeling that if they did a shopping run there, then did one at their other store they may find the total bill is not as large as they think it will be.
I'm a fan of there being a store down there and even if it were more expensive I'd shop there exclusively. I've tried to tell them they should shop there, cause if enough people do what they are doing the store will close.
KCPowercat wrote:
Yeah make sure you pass on our thanks too. Ridiculous. Let's not support someone investing downtown because soup might be five cents higher.
And how much time and gas are they going expend driving from the RM to timbuktoo in order to save that five cents a can? Time is money folks.
SWFan wrote:
I don't live downtown, but a coworker lives in the River Market. I asked her what she and her husband thought of it. They said it was great...but they wouldn't be shopping there. They both said the prices were too high.
That's actually a fairly ridiculous statement. The prices there are not significantly higher than, say, Hy-Vee or Price Chopper. Not only that, they seem to have sales a lot. I don't know if this is just a "first month open" type deal, but almost everything I bought today was on sale (yogurt, cottage cheese, triscuits, etc. staple type stuff.)
I just don't understand where that perception comes from. Even the prepared food isn't any more expensive than the Hen House or Sunfresh where I used to shop.
KCPowercat wrote:
Yeah make sure you pass on our thanks too. Ridiculous. Let's not support someone investing downtown because soup might be five cents higher.
I am glad I don't know these people.
Why are you so intolerant of anyone who doesn't worship EVERYTHING downtown?
LenexatoKCMO wrote:
And how much time and gas are they going expend driving from the RM to timbuktoo in order to save that five cents a can? Time is money folks.
I know a few people who will drive a few miles out of their way to buy gas that's $0.02 cheaper per gallon. I do not understand what motivates these folks, at all, nada. But they do exist.
Edit: By the way, I haven't found the need to do any grocery shopping anywhere else since this Cosentino's opened. I'm sure I'll end up missing some product or produce item eventually, but Cosentino's has kept me well satisfied for now!
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I think this just tells us that we have a huge opportunity to win the hearts and minds of current downtown residents on the joys of urban living. I think many people choose to live downtown for the charm of the neighborhood or the ambiance of the city but don't couple that with the convenience of downtown living. So many people live downtown like they would in a suburban detached home, driving to all of their destinations and back without thinking twice or realizing that there really is an alternative. From this view, it really would just come down to price, since the convenience of proximity is lost on them. That is why I'm always trying to evangelize about the convenience of finding pretty much everything in smaller City Market vendors... or just utilizing the neighborhood more.
People need to realize that the success of the businesses around them is directly related to the success of their own downtown homeownership venture. The urban sales pitch really is walkable convenience, proximity and density. There are varying degrees of sophistication downtown when it comes to this idea, which can be fairly foreign to someone not accustomed to the city, and we have to help make that lifestyle appeal to people.
Fortunately, Cosentino's really isn't a sacrafice. The quality and service are top notch and the price is competitive. Still, some will find excuses and be slow to adopt. Keep spreading the downtown living gospel, though, and we'll get there.
You obviously don't get what its taken to get cosentino's to invest downtown...and we have people claiming its too expensive, when its the same prices? This store needs residents to support it. Downtown residents who have begged and moaned for a store...to turn your back on that store is very frustrating after what so many have done to get this to happen.
Its very hard to grasp living in lawrence I am guessing. Nobody is asking for anybody to 'worship' anything, but to drive twice as far to save 2 bucks on a grocery bill???
Of course, if it wasn't me saying this, you wouldn't have posted a reply...you seem to want to fight the person more than the issue at hand.
KCPowercat wrote:
You obviously don't get what its taken to get cosentino's to invest downtown...and we have people claiming its too expensive, when its the same prices? This store needs residents to support it. Downtown residents who have begged and moaned for a store...to turn your back on that store is very frustrating after what so many have done to get this to happen.
Its very hard to grasp living in lawrence I am guessing. Nobody is asking for anybody to 'worship' anything, but to drive twice as far to save 2 bucks on a grocery bill???
Of course, if it wasn't me saying this, you wouldn't have posted a reply...you seem to want to fight the person more than the issue at hand.
If it's only 2 bucks, then yeah, that's dumb to shop elsewhere. I was assuming they were saving like 10 bucks or more.
why waste 30+ minutes, and gas, to save even $10? (and there is no way they are saving $10, unless they are buying like $300 in groceries or unless they usually shop at Aldi).
at the same time, not everyone feels as invested in downtown as we do. i would imagine a lot of people just see downtown as a place to have an apartment before they buy a house in shawnee - an alternative to the plaza.
chrizow wrote:
at the same time, not everyone feels as invested in downtown as we do. i would imagine a lot of people just see downtown as a place to have an apartment before they buy a house in shawnee - an alternative to the plaza.
Haha, I was waiting for it! It's not like I couldn't wait to bail or anything! I just wanted a place to fix up and have a workshop. Let it be known, right here, right now. I'll NEVER own a place south of 75th St, East of Paseo, or West of Stateline! Core counts for something, eh? Eh?
PumpkinStalker wrote:
Haha, I was waiting for it! It's not like I couldn't wait to bail or anything! I just wanted a place to fix up and have a workshop. Let it be known, right here, right now. I'll NEVER own a place south of 75th St, East of Paseo, or West of Stateline! Core counts for something, eh? Eh? :P
Yeah right we all know you only kept the urban bachelor pad long enough to lure in some unsuspecting lady and coerce her into a suburban life of soccer match carpooling and weekend trips to the mall.
