Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:06 pm

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When talking about locations downtown if the city decides the best decision is to move them there. Then the East Village seems to make the most sense to me. Considering a stadium on the smaller side, such as Target Field; it could easily fit just northeast of the Fed Building. That location, 19th and Oak & the Riverfront seem to be the only locations that make sense.

The problem that I see with a downtown stadium is that sports facilities are almost purely "commuter" oriented. Meaning that the majority of attendees would be driving in; especially since our mass transit system isn't put to par. Sprint Center was one thing, but a baseball stadium would bring at least twice the amount of people; and therefore twice the amount of cars. Baseball games can also be both during the working hours and in the afternoon/evening hour. So Downtown would have to be able to absorb that amount of cars while also supporting the 100k+ workers parking downtown.

The question should then be: Do we want 10-12 acres of our city core eaten up by a stadium, with more acreage eaten up by additional parking garages?

Are the economic benefits and "tourist" benefits enough to outweigh the drawbacks of having a giant chunk of downtown taken up by a stadium megablock and even more parking garages? Just food for thought...
This is why I like the idea of going a little further out and stick it in Paseo West, right along US 71.

It will be highly accessible by bus, we already want to lay track down Indep Ave or 12th St someday, it would have outstanding access via freeway without people needing to head into the loop and it wouldn't take a prime downtown spot away from anything else while kickstarting development towards the east sides.

An 18th/Vine spot would be similar

It wouldn't have a great seat view of downtown but I could see doing some suites that have a front-back view so you can see downtown on one side and the game on the other as well as a beer garden and the like on the west side.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by chaglang » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:02 pm

The consensus seems to be to place the stadium where it won’t impact any Raggers’ immediate surroundings but is relatively nearby, should they choose to visit.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by WoodDraw » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:04 am

chaglang wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:02 pm
The consensus seems to be to place the stadium where it won’t impact any Raggers’ immediate surroundings but is relatively nearby, should they choose to visit.
I don't buy this. I think the consensus is that there will be a city funded stadium that will be surrounded by surface parking with no clear future development.

If someone wants to change that, I believe they know how to reach everyone. I could see this site getting between a few different sites.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:40 am

Build it next door to my condo!

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by chaglang » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:21 am

WoodDraw wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:04 am
chaglang wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:02 pm
The consensus seems to be to place the stadium where it won’t impact any Raggers’ immediate surroundings but is relatively nearby, should they choose to visit.
I don't buy this. I think the consensus is that there will be a city funded stadium that will be surrounded by surface parking with no clear future development.

If someone wants to change that, I believe they know how to reach everyone. I could see this site getting between a few different sites.
That was a sardonic response to the posts saying that a stadium would be a huge mistake in the CBD but hey, sticking it east of downtown sure would be convenient.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:47 am

I think it has to go in the CBD. Maximize our parking garage and streetcar investment. I like the idea of bridging the gap between crossroads and 18th/vine I just don't think it makes the most sense.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by earthling » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:59 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:47 am
I think it has to go in the CBD. Maximize our parking garage and streetcar investment. I like the idea of bridging the gap between crossroads and 18th/vine I just don't think it makes the most sense.
Placing at end of Riverfront streetcar line would still utilize all garages along the line, including CBD to Union Station.

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Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:49 am

This is Kansas City though.

All joking aside it is a good point and people are beginning to figure this out.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by earthling » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:51 am

We need to stop making decisions that accommodate bad habits and make decisions that alter habits for a better bigger picture.

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Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:02 am

Agree

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:53 am

I’m calling it now: East Village.

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Post by KCPowercat » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:08 pm

Does that include the Jax county jail space or just East village proper?

My bet is on the north loop lots.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:26 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
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My bet is on the north loop lots.
Why?

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Post by KCPowercat » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:40 pm

Just a hunch really.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by beautyfromashes » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:03 pm

I’ll guess North Loop too. I think the downfall of Kemper Arena is pushing a desire to pick a premium spot instead of taking a chance that development will come wherever it’s built. East Crossroads is still my choice.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by grovester » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:46 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Does that include the Jax county jail space or just East village proper?

My bet is on the north loop lots.
Nope, not going to happen. I'll go with Dave, east village.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by alejandro46 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:11 pm

Agree with Dave; if a new stadium will happen at all, East Village is the best option.

(1) Walkable(ish) to rest of DT.
(2) Contiguous lots available for a few parking structures.
(3) Good highway access
(4) Owned by one developer who has already said they'd be willing to move forward with Stadium.

N. Loop would have major challenges, not contiguously owned, highway in the way, land already developed (Flashcube), smaller available land.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by kboish » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:31 pm

This is probably accurate. (if it happens at all)

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by earthling » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:16 am

Biz Journal article, noting rumblings for East Village. If a decision lingers for years it could mean long term stalled development for that area.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... umors.html

That site appears to have the most realistic opportunity (VanTrust in particular) but doesn't optimize streetcar as much as placing closer to the line, such as end of Riverfront extension. The stadium can benefit from parking along entire line and downtown weekdays can benefit from non-event stadium parking with streetcar access. EV location might spur development around stadium but in most cases stadium areas are dead spots with no events.

Who owns the Isle of Capri casino land, port authority or the casino?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:32 pm

earthling wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:16 am
Who owns the Isle of Capri casino land, port authority or the casino?
Parcelviewer says neither, the city does

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