Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by normalthings » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:58 am

beautyfromashes wrote:
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Any location north or east of the CBD will not have downtown views. Pretty sure the stadium has to basically face northeast (when standing at home plate, facing the outfield)
Makes sense. I guess it’s time to kick the bougie Californians out of the Westside so we can tear down their houses and build a stadium.
The IRS Facility would have been a great location for baseball

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by FangKC » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:58 am

East Village Developer Ready to Play Ball on Potential Downtown Stadium

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:14 am

normalthings wrote:
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The IRS Facility would have been a great location for baseball
To put a stadium where the IRS is would have meant tearing down the historic postal building. The site wasn't big enough otherwise.

Remember, the stadium today is about the size of 6 city blocks. Without the surrounding sidewalks.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by shinatoo » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:13 am

The new stadium in Atlanta faces south. The main concern is that the sun not be distracting to the batter or pitcher in the evening. A northwest facing would work perfectly fine, Southwest could work. In MLB stadiums the stands can be designed block most of the evening sun anyway.

Problem with facing south is almost no shade for the expensive seats.
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by shinatoo » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:15 am

flyingember wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:14 am
normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:58 am

The IRS Facility would have been a great location for baseball
To put a stadium where the IRS is would have meant tearing down the historic postal building. The site wasn't big enough otherwise.

Remember, the stadium today is about the size of 6 city blocks. Without the surrounding sidewalks.
Right up the Hill from the IRS is a great place for a stadium, right where the ballfields are now. Little tight but nothing that couldn't be overcome. And the views would be fantastic. Also only a 3 block walk from the streetcar.
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:08 am

shinatoo wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:15 am
flyingember wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:14 am
normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:58 am

The IRS Facility would have been a great location for baseball
To put a stadium where the IRS is would have meant tearing down the historic postal building. The site wasn't big enough otherwise.

Remember, the stadium today is about the size of 6 city blocks. Without the surrounding sidewalks.
Right up the Hill from the IRS is a great place for a stadium, right where the ballfields are now. Little tight but nothing that couldn't be overcome. And the views would be fantastic. Also only a 3 block walk from the streetcar.
It's an insanely bad location.

1. it's a 100 foot rise hill. the stadium needs a flat surface so a large portion of the entrances will be dramatically above the field. I would bet the field starts 10-20 feet above the lowest point on this site. Kauffman Stadium is 150 feet tall, so most of the highest cost close-in seating wouldn't be able to see over the IRS parking garage.

That seems ok except if we do that it means there's only one side of the stadium for 100% of vehicle access, Kessler. I don't know if you've driven on this road recently but you're talking about a MAJOR traffic impact on streetcar operations down the line since there's two ways into the site and they're Broadway and Main.

The IRS will never allow massive amounts of vehicles that close to their secure garage entrance, Broadway could be redone to provide but most of the frontage it's practically a freeway onramp and remember the lane capacity will be in demand to get people to the stadium. Kessler barely counts as a two lane road so it's going to be bad.

There's nothing wrong with treating it as a walking stadium but the streetcar is not remotely a solution to parking. It can move ~2400 people per hour and the smallest MLB Stadium is 10x that, the average 15x. The bus system can't handle the load either.

The site would be 0.5 miles away, minimum. That's 5 blocks, not three. And it's up one of the steepest hills downtown.

And think back to an event like Rockfest. We're back to figuring out how to keep people from parking in neighborhoods.

There's much better spots than this one.
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by chingon » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:11 am

Overthinking. Rebuild a replica of post-grass/pre-remodel Kauffman on 18th between Paseo/Troost. Maybe make it 10-15K seats smaller. Consider air conditioning.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by GRID » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:48 am

If the stadium were placed in east village, which way would it face? Don't most stadiums look toward the northeast? I mean, that would be a pretty bad view unless they built up the east loop. Not that the view should be a huge priority just curious. Would certainly have plenty of room to build up the area beyond the stadium.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by KCtoBrooklyn » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:54 am

Apparently, it is actually a written rule that the "desirably" orientation is East Northeast. I'm not sure how much that is enforced by MLB.

It looks like all outdoor stadiums generally face east, although some face southeast or even south southeast. But facing west or southwest may be out of the question.

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadiu ... W_AL.shtml

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:11 am

It's likely about the sun. Since most games are in the summer and most are in the afternoon or evening, the sun drops below the top of the stadium in most cases and doesn't shine in the eyes of the players as much.

So sites that support putting the 3rd base line alone the N-S axis makes the most sense

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:06 pm

Someone should tell the dodgers their stadium will never work with such large elevation changes.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by WoodDraw » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:12 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
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Someone should tell the dodgers their stadium will never work with such large elevation changes.
Everything works with money :lol:

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by kcjak » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:13 pm

So it appears that there are absolutely no prospects in the pipeline for the East Village. Now we have to wait an additional couple of years for the ballpark option to play out before any other development to occur?

And to chime in on the Penn Valley Park location, there are zero opportunities for spinoff development. Great outfield views, though.

Anyone ever think about moving the current businesses and put a park on the hill where Cambridge Circle is off of I-35? That location straddles the state line, so maybe a possibility for bi-state tax, and room for a small ballpark village development.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by WoodDraw » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:23 pm

The east village won't do a single thing until downtown stadium is resolved.

I just don't trust them to develop around it. I see premium surface parking lots all around.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:48 pm

Cambridge circle? What in the world?

Let's not screw this up. The blueprint exists in every other city. We have plenty of spaces available that can help us maximize our streetcar, parking garage, and retail/hotel investment. This is a layup decision.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by shinatoo » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:52 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
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Someone should tell the dodgers their stadium will never work with such large elevation changes.
Or Kauffman, perfectly level lot before they built it. &
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by WoodDraw » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:59 pm

It's really an opportunity to rethink baseball stadiums. Smaller, high level premium, outfield bars, club level bars, family zome, apartments with rooftops around, smaller general crowds but cheap.

Daily usage even when the team isn't home.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:07 pm

WoodDraw wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:59 pm
It's really an opportunity to rethink baseball stadiums. Smaller, high level premium, outfield bars, club level bars, family zome, apartments with rooftops around, smaller general crowds but cheap.

Daily usage even when the team isn't home.
I don’t see a DT stadium being funded directly with tax dollars. If a stadium goes DT, I think you will see the stadium being part of a larger direct development. I mean this in that the Royals would actually build and own buildings around the stadium. This is where they will make the money. Purchase of a condo could include special perks at the ballpark. I’d love for the city to pull development rights from the current East village developer and give it to a Royals controlled entity.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:47 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:07 pm
WoodDraw wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:59 pm
It's really an opportunity to rethink baseball stadiums. Smaller, high level premium, outfield bars, club level bars, family zome, apartments with rooftops around, smaller general crowds but cheap.

Daily usage even when the team isn't home.
I don’t see a DT stadium being funded directly with tax dollars. If a stadium goes DT, I think you will see the stadium being part of a larger direct development. I mean this in that the Royals would actually build and own buildings around the stadium. This is where they will make the money. Purchase of a condo could include special perks at the ballpark. I’d love for the city to pull development rights from the current East village developer and give it to a Royals controlled entity.
I see a stadium being funded primarily with tax dollars.

There won't be any condos either.

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