Future Stadium Plans: Chiefs and Royals

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My hot take I've always had to solve the "dormant stadium" problems is that they really should move the Negro Leagues Museum across the street from the stadium. Would probably be a nice deal for both Royals and NLBM because both the museum and stadium would share traction from it.

And I'll make one of my famous guarantees- the Negro leagues museum will have far more visitors if it's next to the Royals stadium in the loop. Like, significantly more visitors.
I love your enthusiasm, but that can’t happen for historical reasons. There are people that want to do 18th and vine for a stadium, but I haven’t seen real proposals.

But moving historical black history around to a new development won’t work. I promise you. The idea of moving it to a new, gentrified, white area… I can’t even describe how much anger you’d see. And rightly so.
And I think it would ruin the entire feel of the museum if it were in some vanilla P&L district like setting. Putting the stadium west of the 18th and Vine district would be much better.
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The bus yard is as old as the airport and stadiums. I’m sure they could use a modern facility, especially with the rise of electric buses. Many of those industrial jobs have slowly started to move away and that land will get converted one day to a broader innovation and live work district under current plans.

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normalthings wrote:
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The bus yard is as old as the airport and stadiums. I’m sure they could use a modern facility, especially with the rise of electric buses. Many of those industrial jobs have slowly started to move away and that land will get converted one day to a broader innovation and live work district under current plans.
Spiller- it wasn’t an either or.

All three have to be destroyed to make room for a stadium at that location

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flyingember wrote:
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normalthings wrote:
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The bus yard is as old as the airport and stadiums. I’m sure they could use a modern facility, especially with the rise of electric buses. Many of those industrial jobs have slowly started to move away and that land will get converted one day to a broader innovation and live work district under current plans.
Spiller- it wasn’t an either or.

All three have to be destroyed to make room for a stadium at that location
This parcel was the subject of an RFP. The Entrepenurial Hub was a favorite to build on/near this location, but funding got pulled from the City budget & I don't think they really have got much momentum at this point.

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Was in Denver last month when the Rockies were out of town. What they did around the stadium is they had their team store shops accessible from the outside of stadium, unlike Kauffman where you can only be in the team shop once you're inside. Then they also had some rooftop restaurants right across the street from Coors Field too they gave a decent view. Now I imagine the Royals could do all of this and then also have their Hall of fame outside too to keep traction around it. Probably could creative and figure more things out too.

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AlkaliAxel wrote:
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Was in Denver last month when the Rockies were out of town. What they did around the stadium is they had their team store shops accessible from the outside of stadium, unlike Kauffman where you can only be in the team shop once you're inside. Then they also had some rooftop restaurants right across the street from Coors Field too they gave a decent view. Now I imagine the Royals could do all of this and then also have their Hall of fame outside too to keep traction around it. Probably could creative and figure more things out too.
Royals Team shop is accessible from the outside and is open on non-game days.
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Cardinals is street accessible and Id still consider it a dead zone

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normalthings wrote:
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Just genuinely curious, but is there anyone here other than myself who actually wants a downtown stadium?
I'm fine with it as long as it's 100% privately financed.
Will require a TIF district that encompasses more than just the stadium along with with a STAR bond like product.
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FangKC wrote:
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The East Village has been nothing for over 20 years.
The area where the P&L District is now was nothing for 40 + years.
That is not true. The Midland was active. There were haunted houses. Time for News, Soakies, and at least one strip club. There were dozens of other small businesses littered throughout. It may have been blighted, but it didn't resemble the East Village in any way.
Regardless, it seems the obvious spot for the Royals Stadium, if it were gonna move. And I'd be surprised if it doesn't end up there.

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I guess the better question to ask other than does anyone want a stadium downtown is if anyone else wants it in East Village?

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Average Royals ticket price was $32 in 2019. Tickets bounced around $19 for years before the 2014 season. Seems like average attendance across the league has foundered and declined over the last years so I went with the the 2019 Royals average.

Construction Cost: $670 million
Project Cost with financing: $900 million
Average Attendance: 18,000
Average Ticket Price: $32

20 year Revenue - 18,000*$32*80*20 = $921,600,000

Revenue Minus 50% for O&M (standard in real estate): $460,800,000

Making the stadium a lot smaller doesn’t work because you loose those peak days that make the average so high in the first place.

I can see how they would need a 100% property tax abatement and 100% redirection of current and new sales tax and an entire abated development district around it to make the numbers work.

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I just want to say I think we got a serious problem is Texas and Oklahoma leave, and the Big 12 goes down the drain. KC's best sporting event of the year is that downtown Big 12 tournament and we are screwed if the conference dies and we lose that tournament. That would be a colossal loss for us. We better be hoping that the conference stays intact.

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AlkaliAxel wrote:
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I guess the better question to ask other than does anyone want a stadium downtown is if anyone else wants it in East Village?
I wouldn't say plans for a downtown stadium are dead but since people still dream about one the plans will always be around. Covid has changed sports at all levels and that change will be around for a long time. The future holds a new normal and no one knows what that will be. Much like steaming TV services that show new movie releases at the same time they are shown in movie theaters sport teams and leagues may move and more to that type of distribution of their games. Already many teams show their home games on local TV and there is MLB on cable/satellite. Same can be said for NHL and NBA. Crowd sizes are down and if that becomes a long term trend there will no longer be a need for large stadiums and arenas.
The Royals will be staying at the sports complex for at least, I think, the next nine years. New stadiums in the recent past were built in upwards to $1B or more, something I don't see the team, the city, nor the county willing to bankroll at this time.

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aknowledgeableperson wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:12 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:30 pm
I guess the better question to ask other than does anyone want a stadium downtown is if anyone else wants it in East Village?
I wouldn't say plans for a downtown stadium are dead but since people still dream about one the plans will always be around. Covid has changed sports at all levels and that change will be around for a long time. The future holds a new normal and no one knows what that will be. Much like steaming TV services that show new movie releases at the same time they are shown in movie theaters sport teams and leagues may move and more to that type of distribution of their games. Already many teams show their home games on local TV and there is MLB on cable/satellite. Same can be said for NHL and NBA. Crowd sizes are down and if that becomes a long term trend there will no longer be a need for large stadiums and arenas.
The Royals will be staying at the sports complex for at least, I think, the next nine years. New stadiums in the recent past were built in upwards to $1B or more, something I don't see the team, the city, nor the county willing to bankroll at this time.
I think the downtown stadium in KC continues to get more attractive each year that goes by. More and more gets added each year. But I think people really have forgotten that Sherman said one of the main reasons he has his eyes on downtown is because they'd get more corporate sponsors and money by moving downtown. It's not all about attendance/parking.

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Nine years is pretty realistically the long end of a new stadium downtown if they began work today. White sheet to opening day would be in the 5-8 year timeframe.
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