Schlitterbahn Waterpark and Resort

[LenexatoKCMO]

if UG had made all of those major investments in their downtown instead (including the race track... put it by the river and boost the levees!), it would be completely sustainable and probably better planned.

And twice as expensive. 

[aknowledgeableperson]

But I would stand by a Downtown Tif or even a Briarcliff Tif any day over a star bond to build offices and hotels along K-10 or a big box development in blue springs or lees summit.

I would imagine that the big difference between the Star bonds and TIF's is who issues them.  Don't the Stars come from the state of KS?  Yes, VW does have a 'retail sales tax' only TIF available but it does not apply for every part of the development.   And we know who issues the TIF's on the MO side, and those TIF's generally use all tax sources from the development site.

[DaveKCMO]

And twice as expensive. 

you get what you pay for.

[zonk]

Heard from a source intimately involved in the design for Schlitterbahn....Project is on indefinite hold....probably dead.

Anyone got news?

[kcdcchef]

Heard from a source intimately involved in the design for Schlitterbahn....Project is on indefinite hold....probably dead.

Anyone got news?

oh please God, let it be true.

[kcmetro]

oh please God, let it be true.

Do you pray for rival chefs to die too, so you can climb the culinary ladder? 

[WSPanic]

http://www.schlitterbahn.com/news/press ... -19-kc.htm

KANSAS CITY, Kansas – The Schlitterbahn Vacation Village Waterpark project in Kansas City, Kansas, continues to move forward and to help others bounce back by providing local jobs fueling the local economy even under the strains of the current economic meltdown.

These unprecedented times made it necessary for Schlitterbahn to take a brief pause in ongoing development in an effort to reassess all aspects of the project and for the opportunity to reorganize the work flow to deliver the new waterpark to the people of Kansas City. As one of the few new endeavors to withstand the crunch, Schlitterbahn has managed to make the project a success and to deliver the first phase of this exciting new attraction this summer.


Sounds like they're still planning to open something soon. The release was issued last week.

Sorry Chef - perhaps some other development will fail somewhere in the metro.

[kcdcchef]

Do you pray for rival chefs to die too, so you can climb the culinary ladder? 

nope. i just hope suburban fad retail that pops up in areas that were cornfields while their urban metros fail and wither ( you ever even been to kck, metro/?)

i do however root for projects that re-use existing urban/blighted areas. even in kansas.

[Pendergast]

Most of the original design/consulting/construction management firms have been relieved of their duties.  So anyone who was involved in the project at the start only knows that nothing is going on out there. They are still constructing though, but they owe so many people money on it (and can't or won't continue to pay them) that they are now using their own people to manage the construction.  The workers were allegedly brought up from Texas, hence the protesting of the unions on site.   

[kcdcchef]

anyone been on a drive by oceans of fun II lately to see if any work is still even going on? plastic parts for slides coming in? anything???? only photos of construction i have ever seen surface were of the river bed being plowed out and some concrete being poured. shit, that can just be a nice drainage ditch, or the new wyco river for landscaping of a new dicks sporting goods to open there.

[NDTeve]

"so this thing opens in 2009.

ummm, yeah, sure."

This is why celebrity chef wants it to fail.

[kcdcchef]

"so this thing opens in 2009.

ummm, yeah, sure."

This is why celebrity chef wants it to fail.

i want it to fail for the same reason i want all the shit popping up out in lee's scummit and blue springs to fail, the shit is merely destroying other parts of the metro. and further, killing off parts of the urban core even. fuck that, no thanks. and if you took time to read threads that are not sports related, you would read see the fate of this thing, bannister, blue ridge, indian springs, great mall of great plains, man, that crap is an eyesore. and a non functional eye sore.

i dont want it to fail, i want it never to happen.

[kcdcchef]

Yep, that's why you are constantly popping in those threads with snide comments too.

that is exactly why. because i do not want the fucker to ever open max. and know that anything that does open up will be little better than an oceans of fun. that will be useless inside of twenty years. in what way, max, does that help the metro? to have something open that just hurts other parts of the metro, and then in 20 years both things are useless??

oh, i know your comeback. "how do you know it will be useless in 20 years?" please, show me suburban retail that remains strong. please.

[KCMax]

that is exactly why. because i do not want the fucker to ever open max. and know that anything that does open up will be little better than an oceans of fun. that will be useless inside of twenty years. in what way, max, does that help the metro? to have something open that just hurts other parts of the metro, and then in 20 years both things are useless??

oh, i know your comeback. "how do you know it will be useless in 20 years?" please, show me suburban retail that remains strong. please.

You almost never pop in those threads to say "I hope the Lee's Summit arena fails!" or "I can't wait for the Adams Dairy Parkway development to fail!" Oddly enough, you never even seem to pop in to say south JoCo projects fail, which probably hurt the urban core far more than VW.

Yet you have a seething hate for this project. My guess is that you have some sort of nostalgic connection with OoF and this threatens it. Its also why you support TSC, even though it is a suburban sprawl development that would help the urban core much better if it was more centrally located.

You're more than entitled to that opinion. Just be up front about it. You don't like this because it threatens OoF. It has nothing to do with suburban sprawl.

[kcdcchef]

bullshit max. sure, i dont want it to kill OOF, because if it is going to be no better, it should not. that is an opinion, and nothing more. but you are right, i stay out of the adams dairy parkway shit, and lees scummit, you are correct. but those threads dont generate the massive amounts of cheerleaders that this western wyco shit does.

look up legends, shiterbahn, vw threads, fuck, you would think the roads around them are paved with gold, the stores are built out of crack and diamonds, the give everyone $100 just for showing up, and it is all the same crap at other areas. the only suburban crap i have ever not criticized is the independence commons area, mainly because it was existing. they have built crap in fields too, but that mall and the basic infastructure was there in 1973.

my hatred of this project is everyone is blowing their wad over stuff the metro has in established areas, water parks, theaters, restaurants, come on dude, are you genuinely this excited over a tackle store, a couch store, and a water park that is shaping up to be not really better than the SHITTY one we already have?? are you really excited over this??

dont give me that " it benefits the whole metro" horseshit. the metro is SMALL. there are only so many people to pull in so many directions. i highly doubt this thing kills OOF anyways, cedar faire just makes it part of WOF or something of that nature, dont kid yourself. but even if it does kill it, which, it might, it will take out more than just that, it will take out smaller pools, rec centers, and other entertainment options thoughout the metro. you are okay with that? please max, give me a list of other parts of the metro you are okay with this canabolizing, which ones??

we dont need to keep adding suburban sprawl, ANYWHERE. it only kills other areas. i cannot wait to see the hardons the residents near bannister get in 5 years when they get a NEW lowes and walmart to compliment the soccer stadium. seriously, they will. they are beyond excited that blue ridge got knocked down and a walmart plopped on top of it. i dont get people.

and unless these bastards are going to give the metro a couple hundred thousand extra residents to keep all thesee sprawl things hopping, what is the point? seriously, even been out to eastern jacko lately? they are answering almost everything that went up at vw. the bass pro at crackerneck falls is AS IMPRESSIVE as cabellas. it is. the bass pro even has the real waterfalls outside that makes it as impressive. building an arena to attract a minor league hockey team. retail is as impressive. place is as busy as fuck. and keep going east, and all the sprawl bullshit going up along every mile of I-70. the metro will not support all of this. all iit does is give a death nell to OOF, metro north, royals attendance, WOF, fleming park and its lakes and activities that go with them, non gambling casino revenues, there is not enough people to keep it all going. sorry, there is not.

and this thing BY ITSELF is not enough to keep it going long term. people will grow bored with it.

[the_shadow]

I heard there was a meeting between schlitterbahn and the city..Schlitterbahn said it would be open..by (i'm saying or not them cause I forgot) June 1st or July 1st...city said bullcrap...schlitterbahn showed the city an aerial view of a park they did in texas 3 months before they opened it..and they were further along in construction in kck than at the time of the photo in Texas. Not saying I believe Schlitterbahn but that is what I heard.

[KCMax]

bullshit max. sure, i dont want it to kill OOF, because if it is going to be no better, it should not. that is an opinion, and nothing more. but you are right, i stay out of the adams dairy parkway shit, and lees scummit, you are correct. but those threads dont generate the massive amounts of cheerleaders that this western wyco shit does.

I think this is in your mind. You're still fighting battles against Justin, who doesn't post here anymore. The cheerleading for this project has been quite muted, no more IMO than any other project in this metro. You sure don't get after GRID who is the biggest cheerleader for projects in Eastern Jack suburbs (not that it is a bad thing GRID). The cognitive dissonance you have is amazing. You supposedly hate sprawl, yet you were the biggest advocate of the TSC.

You hate this project, that is fine. I think we all know where you are coming from. You love WoF/OoF and see this as a threat. Understandable.

[kcdcchef]

I think this is in your mind. You're still fighting battles against Justin, who doesn't post here anymore. The cheerleading for this project has been quite muted, no more IMO than any other project in this metro. You sure don't get after GRID who is the biggest cheerleader for projects in Eastern Jack suburbs (not that it is a bad thing GRID). The cognitive dissonance you have is amazing. You supposedly hate sprawl, yet you were the biggest advocate of the TSC.

You hate this project, that is fine. I think we all know where you are coming from. You love WoF/OoF and see this as a threat. Understandable.

lots of things i love in the kc area. wof and oof is not one of them. i think that either one of them is only half the park they were when hunt midwest owned and operated them. but i see that if some half ass built water park starts taking out other parts of the metro, particularly entertainiment options, it is not good for the metro. we wont rebuild stuff. if this half baked water park kills WOF or OOF, or both, and then as with all fad shit in the metro, people get over schlit, then where are we at?

and like i said, it is going to kill off a lot more than just those parks if it kills anything. you are fine with new blight in the metro. you have made your point, you are fine with other areas of the metro dying and becoming like bannister and indian springs, so we can sprawl out in other directions. got it. true metro supporter you are. understandable.

[LenexatoKCMO]

Chef, if your big concern is the spread of blight - what would you call a half-built, abandoned waterpark?  Sounds like blight at its worst.  Conceivably the presence of such an item might well even hasten the blighting of the surrounding portion of WyCo.  If your true goal is avoiding the spread of blight, there is no point in opposing suburban projects that are half built - that just creates blight sooner rather than later. 

[kcdcchef]

Chef, if your big concern is the spread of blight - what would you call a half-built, abandoned waterpark?  Sounds like blight at its worst.  Conceivably the presence of such an item might well even hasten the blighting of the surrounding portion of WyCo.  If your true goal is avoiding the spread of blight, there is no point in opposing suburban projects that are half built - that just creates blight sooner rather than later. 

i am sure grass will grow over all the dirt that has been pushed around. and the streets will get used for something else. hardly the same.