Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

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Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by AlbertHammond » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:17 pm

This is a very important site in NEJoCo. Located between Nall & Roe, near 95th, it is a beautiful property that should have become the county's 'Loose Park'. The county or city did not buy it for that use, so it will be scraped for development. Too bad.

I expect it to become single family, since that is what it is zoned, but it would be an amazing site for a Park Place/Kirkwood/New Town Saint Charles TND hybrid. Prairie Village has shown no ability to encourage great design (just nimby design), so I have little hope for greatness here.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by ThorsteinVeblen » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:00 pm

I grew just a few blocks away and my family has been members since they moved to KC in the 80s. Sad to see it go as we had lots of great memories. I was actually surprised the private equity group that originally purchased the property didn't contemplate running as a public course given that there aren't a lot of close public courses that would compete. Back in early 2000s (can't remember the exact date) there was an idea floated to completely renovate the course, move the clubhouse to the center of the property, and then infill around the outside with retirement living. There was actually a 10 story residential tower floated along with it, suffice to say, the neighborhood completely crushed that plan. The developer even came back with 3 story high end residential buildings and even then they weren't satisfied. There is significant opposition at this point to more senior living even though the community needs it, as much as they would like not having to admit it. So in all likelihood it will probably become a high income residential development.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by Highlander » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:27 pm

AlbertHammond wrote:This is a very important site in NEJoCo. Located between Nall & Roe, near 95th, it is a beautiful property that should have become the county's 'Loose Park'. The county or city did not buy it for that use, so it will be scraped for development. Too bad.

I expect it to become single family, since that is what it is zoned, but it would be an amazing site for a Park Place/Kirkwood/New Town Saint Charles TND hybrid. Prairie Village has shown no ability to encourage great design (just nimby design), so I have little hope for greatness here.

Your thoughts?
First thought is it is hard to me, growing up in south KC when I-435 was the stark frontier of the OP burbs, to think of 95th as NE Johnson County. But given the Joco burbs stretch as far south as 170th - NE Joco is what it is.

Anyway, the Johnson County burbs with few exceptions have little more than a few pocket public parks. That's really too bad and this is definitely a missed opportunity. A high income residential area fits in there but it's so bland and unimaginative.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by taxi » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:39 pm

ThorsteinVeblen wrote:I grew just a few blocks away ...
I grew more than a few on this course. Either try to meet the bitches at 7-11 or McDonald's and, if you're lucky, make it to the green in 2 or 3.
I wonder what it's like to be a teenager now, with a cell phone and texting.
Now I drive a van and tell the girls, just trust me. That, my friends, is what I call VanTrust.

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Post by shinatoo » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:24 am

Five sentences in and the dick measuring has already started.
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Post by KCMax » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:39 pm

Interesting. Would be nice to have another huge park like that in the area. Golf courses seem like such a waste of space.

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Post by WSPanic » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:16 pm

KCMax wrote:Interesting. Would be nice to have another huge park like that in the area. Golf courses seem like such a waste of space.

As my good friend Al Czervick used to say, "Country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wasters of prime real estate! Dead people? They don't need to be buried nowadays. Ecology, right? Ask Wang. He'll tell you. We just bought property behind the Great Wall. On the good side!"

I grew up in that neighborhood and my family belonged to Meadowbrook growing up. I was hoping there was a chance it would be turned into a municipal course, but this is the next best thing. It's a fine track of land, and will make a great park.
shinatoo wrote:Five sentences in and the dick measuring has already started.
Are you talking about mentioning the acreage compared to Loose Park? I think it makes sense to do that. As you can see by the first post in this thread, it's an obvious comparison.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by chingon » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:27 pm

KCMax wrote: Golf courses seem like such a waste of space.
http://youtu.be/Z4w7H48tBS8

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by flyingember » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:36 pm

Golf is on its way out, plus there's too many courses added in recent years

If this San Diego news piece is accurate the past two years each saw a nationwide 5% drop in active golfers. That's the entire profit margin of some industries! And golf largely has fixed coss for 10 golfers or 100. The grass is green and mowed regardless. I would expect driving ranges to stay, courses will change or die.
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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by KCMax » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:54 am

There will be an announcement this afternoon. VanTrust Real Estate and Joco Parks will be involved.

http://pvpost.com/2015/02/19/northeast- ... -230-36689

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by KCMax » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:05 am

Johnson County, VanTrust reveal unique plan for Meadowbrook
The TIF district is expected to raise $12 million to $15 million for the acquisition of the parkland and for capital improvements to the new park.
Rich Muller, a vice president with VanTrust, said the company plans to develop townhomes, luxury apartments, single-family homes, senior living and a 35-room boutique inn, which would be Prairie Village's first hotel. The number of residential units and the cost of the private development are not yet available.
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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by slimwhitman » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:31 am

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Perhaps...this 5 minute move-around makes more sense:
Single-family seems wasteful. Add a few more townhomes and parkland rather than more fenced-in yards.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by flyingember » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:32 pm

I would bet those single family homes with near water and trail surrounding have increased values that makes them most of the project's profit.

your density ideas also have to coordinate with road conditions and storm water main capacity and water lines and such.

density doesn't happen in a vacuum.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by shinatoo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:49 pm

flyingember wrote:density doesn't happen in a vacuum.
Science agrees with you.
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Post by aknowledgeableperson » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:27 pm

My guess those single family homes are geared to rich, or let's say well-off, empty nesters. And they would be what was called at one time cluster homes. Exterior maintenance is provided, and maybe at a $500,000 or so cost.

My feeling is that this community will be directed to the high-end buyer/renter.

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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by shinatoo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:39 pm

aknowledgeableperson wrote:My guess those single family homes are geared to rich, or let's say well-off, empty nesters. And they would be what was called at one time cluster homes. Exterior maintenance is provided, and maybe at a $500,000 or so cost.

My feeling is that this community will be directed to the high-end buyer/renter.
Really? You don't think they would be HUD homes?
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Re: Meadowbrook Golf Club Redevelopment

Post by flyingember » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:40 pm

shinatoo wrote:
aknowledgeableperson wrote:My guess those single family homes are geared to rich, or let's say well-off, empty nesters. And they would be what was called at one time cluster homes. Exterior maintenance is provided, and maybe at a $500,000 or so cost.

My feeling is that this community will be directed to the high-end buyer/renter.
Really? You don't think they would be HUD homes?
versus the alternative of putting in something like Northgate Village. $200-250k, tighter density than a suburban design.
I could see that model working well for redevelopment in JoCo. As unmaintained homes go assemble parcels and go more of a modern urban design

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