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Tiffany Springs

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:28 pm
by mgsports

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:06 pm
by Developersanonymous
where did you find this link in the City website?

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:43 pm
by mgsports
By search board and commissions.

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:04 pm
by GRID
Why is anybody building any retail in any suburban area right now. This country is so overbuilt with suburban retail and it's just now starting to get corrected and we are going to have millions more sq ft of vacant retail in the next year or so. Kansas is still STAR bonding new retail construction in Overland Park. Absolutely asinine. Figure out how to fill up zona rosa and redevelop metro north mall's land. Nothing else should happen north of the river till that happens.

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:22 pm
by mgsports
But at least those OP developments are getting places not sitting empty like some in Olathe are on 119th Street are.

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:43 pm
by GRID
mgsports wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:22 pm
But at least those OP developments are getting places not sitting empty like some in Olathe are on 119th Street are.
Oak Park Mall will be mostly empty and have lost all of its anchors within two years. Mark my words. There is zero reason or demand to be building new retail in most suburban areas and to subsidize new retail construction with tax money, especially in affluent suburban areas, is just off the charts stupid. It's one of the reasons this country is in such bad shape. Our infrastructure and transit and medical care is shit, but we give developers tax breaks to build retail we don't need which causes more stress on infrastructure more decay and blight due to abandoned structures and more suburban sprawl as people flee to the "new" parts of suburbs.

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:50 pm
by GRID
https://www.statista.com/statistics/105 ... worldwide/

This is quickly correcting itself and that graph does not even include all the vacant retail in America.

Re: Tiffany Springs

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:38 am
by Highlander
GRID wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:43 pm
mgsports wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:22 pm
But at least those OP developments are getting places not sitting empty like some in Olathe are on 119th Street are.
Oak Park Mall will be mostly empty and have lost all of its anchors within two years. Mark my words. There is zero reason or demand to be building new retail in most suburban areas and to subsidize new retail construction with tax money, especially in affluent suburban areas, is just off the charts stupid. It's one of the reasons this country is in such bad shape. Our infrastructure and transit and medical care is shit, but we give developers tax breaks to build retail we don't need which causes more stress on infrastructure more decay and blight due to abandoned structures and more suburban sprawl as people flee to the "new" parts of suburbs.
I've never understood the rationale for using tax incentives for retail developments in suburbia. It really does the city no good at all. The jobs created are generally low paying and the profit doesn't get re-invested in the city, it leaves the metro and goes back to the home office of the various retail companies. If the demand was there, the retail would be there but even relatively new Zona Rosa cannot even keep tenants casting doubt on demand. I guess it does generate property and sales tax but unless residents are routinely leaving the jurisdiction to shop elsewhere, the city is just making it more difficult for the existing tax base to compete with newer tax exempt retail.