OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

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Twin Creeks,Main Event and so on.

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mgsports wrote:Twin Creeks,Main Event and so on.
Twin Creeks hasn’t started building
South of AMC is currently unfinished , so I didn’t count it any more than I counted 2-3 new businesss by themselves opening up

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For quite a few of the establishments that have left Zona Rosa the volume of business wasn’t the issue. Unreasonable lease hikes and other squabbles with the management led to their exit. At least according to the folks I’ve talked to. Of course several retailers and restaurants have been closing stores nationwide so that’s led to some vacancies as well.

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Anyone know the occupancy level of the apartments? Seems like a good way to get additional spending in the district is to build more apartments. Or a couple of hotels.

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Costco is in Twin Creeks. Sam's Club.

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mgsports wrote:Costco is in Twin Creeks. Sam's Club.
This is twin Creeks

Costco is outside of Twin Creeks

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This isn't the first time a developer uses a name that makes no sense geographically.

They can call it Twin Creeks all they want and it's still not inside the Twin Creeks watershed

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Can we just limit these two to this thread? Seems best for all.

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Even their website shows their shrinking occupancy.

https://www.zonarosa.com/about-us/
Zona Rosa is the area’s PREMIER FASHION AND DINING DESTINATION, with over 100 merchants and restaurants
67 merchants
23 restaurants

Does not add up to greater than 100

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Changes!

https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 23395.html
Zona Rosa Town Center will demolish some storefronts to make way for a new outdoor green space as the first part of a major redevelopment effort to improve the outdoor shopping center in Kansas City’s Northland.

Managers of the outdoor shopping center this week announced a multi-million-dollar redevelopment of the mall that will begin this fall and conclude by spring 2021. The mall, which currently has dozens of vacancies, will demolish the building just south of the Dillard’s department store to make way for a new green space called North Park.

“It’s obvious that this alone is not going to fix Zona Rosa,” said Scott Zigler, the mall’s general manager. “This is a major first step of the kinds of things we will be doing going forward.”

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I don't think they ever had full occupancy on the northern half of the center.

Went through it in maybe May and it was like downtown in 2000, tons of empty space.

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flyingember wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:47 am
I don't think they ever had full occupancy on the northern half of the center.

Went through it in maybe May and it was like downtown in 2000, tons of empty space.
That's what happens when you build an isolated, suburban shopping district in a field bounded by highway. Zona Rosa was set up for failure as anything more than simply a shopping center from the beginning. Nobody's going to frequent the aforementioned as a "destination", and that's not going to change with the addition of a park and some green space. This place is what it is. A shopping center. Nothing more. Period.

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im2kull wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:39 pm
This place is what it is. A shopping center. Nothing more. Period.
There's a bunch of offices and residential too. A for-profit college HQ was located in it.

Their mix was off, if they had built 6 story buildings with residential over the retail it would have had a lot more customers.

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flyingember is correct. The fatal flaw in this development was not including more residential above the store buildings, and around the edges. The location was a bad choice for such a retail endeavor since it's limited in how you can add residential around it, and connections to neighborhoods.

This parcel would have been better used for a couple of car dealerships.

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It also doesn’t help that the city completely undermined this type of development by approving traditional suburban retail just across the highway and single family homes right next door.

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Well... I do wish them luck on this endeavor. It will be a bit tough repositioning everything to make this a "destination" but I hope it works for them. The last thing anyone would want is a vacant "lifestyle center".

I've been to Zona Rosa several times and while I find it pretty generic, it seems to have the foundations to build something truly great. Connectivity is an issue though, and that has been pointed out. There's plenty of parking, so remove some of the lots and build apartments. For more apartments/condos within the development, consolidate all the vacant retail spaces together. So, negotiate to move tenants to other vacant spaces surrounded by occupied spaces. Once you get a block of vacant space, demolish and build apartments/condos.

This could all work, it's just trying to find the formula to get it to work.

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Chris Stritzel wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:30 am

This could all work, it's just trying to find the formula to get it to work.
Replacement with something new thats not retail

It ended up replacing Metro North and that still isn’t anything new 15 years after Zona Rosa opened.

It’s already been replaced with other shopping centers in the area.

The points on the city and county screwing things up is very real.

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I think if ZR would have focused the mix on much higher residential element, the project as a whole would have been much more successful.

However, in the past 5-10 years, there have been numerous other multi-fam complexes built in the area and I'm not really sure the additional demand would be there if they tried a large pivot now. Obviously they are trying to add a hotel and a few apartments, but I'm afraid that especially if this Metro North project actually builds out, that the proverbial apartment/condo train may have left the station. I do wish them the best and hope they can re-invigorate the development.

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The development has had a hotel in the plans for more than a decade and it was never built.

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