New County Jail

Jackson/Cass Suburbs, including South KC
Post Reply
alejandro46
Western Auto Lofts
Western Auto Lofts
Posts: 522
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:24 pm
Location: King in the North(Land)

New County Jail

Post by alejandro46 »

New Jackson County jail location potentially finalized.
Completion of the facility is expected in 2024. When JCDC Partners was hired, architects said the estimated cost was about $270 million. The Star reports that Tarwater put the cost at $180 million to $200 million. KCUR reports that the cost is at least $266 million.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 32085.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ction.html

7000 E. U.S. 40 - Current site of Heart Mobile Home Park
https://g.page/HeartMobileVillage?share

City open to paying for use, but not willing to fund construction per article.

missingkc
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1119
Joined: Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:16 pm
Location: Charlotte, NC

Re: New County Jail

Post by missingkc »

Looks like that would be the end of a couple of hundred affordble housing units.

longviewmo
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 958
Joined: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:58 am
Location: Manhattan, Kansas
Contact:

Re: New County Jail

Post by longviewmo »

missingkc wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:23 pm
Looks like that would be the end of a couple of hundred affordble housing units.
Yeah, they even have a smattering of pretty new tiny houses.

dukuboy1
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 250
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:02 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by dukuboy1 »

not a bad location, as it does check off the boxes. However it would be a shame to displace people like that. I know in he 50's & 60's that happened as the Interstate system was being built, but those type moves are rarer now I believe. What is the proposal for the residents? Also is there not plenty of other abandoned industrial/commercial sites in and around the old Leeds district to the south of that location, down Manchester, that could be razed to fit the bill? Is cost higher because of environmental remediation that most likely would be required? Seems like there would be a lot of spots in the general location that may work before displacing people from their homes

User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 15342
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: New County Jail

Post by FangKC »

I was thinking of the I-70 Drive-in parcel. It's also along 40 Highway. There is a bus stop nearby. It displaces no existing housing.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0554121 ... !1e3?hl=en

User avatar
GRID
City Center Square
City Center Square
Posts: 14805
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:20 pm
Contact:

Re: New County Jail

Post by GRID »

That trailer park is like 90% vacant lots. This will be an improvement to the area. Seems like a good use for the space.

The bigger question is what happens to the existing jail? Will they still use it for a city jail or something? Can it be converted to another use? I would hate to see yet another large structure come down on the east side of downtown even if it's a jail. The east side of downtown is looking pretty sad density wise.

alejandro46
Western Auto Lofts
Western Auto Lofts
Posts: 522
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:24 pm
Location: King in the North(Land)

Re: New County Jail

Post by alejandro46 »

I'm not sure I buy in to the idea of Mobile Home parks being "Affordable Housing" exactly. At least, not a good kind.

The homes themselves are cheaply built, won't last and people often finance them out the ass beyond the date that the unit will be serviceable. They may be called "mobile," but in actuality, it is costly and not easy to actually relocate a mobile unit. Finally, they're dangerous in tornados.

shinatoo
Ambassador
Posts: 6675
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by shinatoo »

So much vacant land in that area. Skip has assembled a large parcel, the old 70 drive in as mentioned by Fang and the old municipal farm south of the stadiums. Shame to have to evict people when they are many more options.
Quocunque Jeceris Stabit

User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 15342
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: New County Jail

Post by FangKC »

My only guess as to why they aren't using the old county farm land off Raytown Road is because there is not bus service there.

flyingember
Mark Twain Tower
Mark Twain Tower
Posts: 9144
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: New County Jail

Post by flyingember »

FangKC wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm
My only guess as to why they aren't using the old county farm land off Raytown Road is because there is not bus service there.
Given where most prisons are, public transit access is far from the main consideration for location.

There's a TV trope that has the cop making sure someone is imprisoned close to family as a way to get cooperation

User avatar
normalthings
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4692
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by normalthings »

flyingember wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:00 pm
FangKC wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm
My only guess as to why they aren't using the old county farm land off Raytown Road is because there is not bus service there.
Given where most prisons are, public transit access is far from the main consideration for location.

There's a TV trope that has the cop making sure someone is imprisoned close to family as a way to get cooperation
County official mentioned the bus route on H40 as a reason for selecting this site.

User avatar
DColeKC
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1101
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Re: New County Jail

Post by DColeKC »

GRID wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:29 pm
That trailer park is like 90% vacant lots. This will be an improvement to the area. Seems like a good use for the space.

The bigger question is what happens to the existing jail? Will they still use it for a city jail or something? Can it be converted to another use? I would hate to see yet another large structure come down on the east side of downtown even if it's a jail. The east side of downtown is looking pretty sad density wise.
I can't imagine flipping the current jail into anything else would be very affordable. Almost every single window would not only need replaced, but enlarged. I guess the city could sell it to a developer for pennies. I'm also not sure how many people want to work or live in a building that used to be a jail. Tough situation.

User avatar
Anthony_Hugo98
New York Life
New York Life
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:50 pm
Location: Vicenza, IT

Re: New County Jail

Post by Anthony_Hugo98 »

DColeKC wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:23 pm
GRID wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:29 pm
That trailer park is like 90% vacant lots. This will be an improvement to the area. Seems like a good use for the space.

The bigger question is what happens to the existing jail? Will they still use it for a city jail or something? Can it be converted to another use? I would hate to see yet another large structure come down on the east side of downtown even if it's a jail. The east side of downtown is looking pretty sad density wise.
I can't imagine flipping the current jail into anything else would be very affordable. Almost every single window would not only need replaced, but enlarged. I guess the city could sell it to a developer for pennies. I'm also not sure how many people want to work or live in a building that used to be a jail. Tough situation.
I doubt people would have much problem living in the building, as long as they redid the interior in a decent manner, and the rent wasn’t outrageous
For all my military brothers and sisters out there, thanks for paving the way, ill do my best! AIRBORNE!

moderne
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4553
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:50 pm
Location: Mount Hope

Re: New County Jail

Post by moderne »

Perfect for conversion to affordable housing. Maybe some sort of transitional housing for people coming out of incarceration or homeless.

User avatar
Anthony_Hugo98
New York Life
New York Life
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:50 pm
Location: Vicenza, IT

Re: New County Jail

Post by Anthony_Hugo98 »

moderne wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:34 am
Perfect for conversion to affordable housing. Maybe some sort of transitional housing for people coming out of incarceration or homeless.
Would go a long way to helping the stock in town for sure.
For all my military brothers and sisters out there, thanks for paving the way, ill do my best! AIRBORNE!

User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 15342
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: New County Jail

Post by FangKC »

The most likely conversion would be to a server farm. I bet it gets demolished though.

User avatar
GRID
City Center Square
City Center Square
Posts: 14805
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:20 pm
Contact:

Re: New County Jail

Post by GRID »

DColeKC wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:23 pm
GRID wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:29 pm
That trailer park is like 90% vacant lots. This will be an improvement to the area. Seems like a good use for the space.

The bigger question is what happens to the existing jail? Will they still use it for a city jail or something? Can it be converted to another use? I would hate to see yet another large structure come down on the east side of downtown even if it's a jail. The east side of downtown is looking pretty sad density wise.
I can't imagine flipping the current jail into anything else would be very affordable. Almost every single window would not only need replaced, but enlarged. I guess the city could sell it to a developer for pennies. I'm also not sure how many people want to work or live in a building that used to be a jail. Tough situation.
I don't think people would care that it was a jail. Jails and other industrial type buildings like silos have been converted to residential before. Like you said though, can it be done economically? I don't know. It's probably a concrete fortress. Turn it into a storage place. Those things are everywhere and it would keep the overall locations down if there was a big one like that.

I just hate to see it come down. East of Grand looks so bad already inside the loop. I guess the one advantage is that the county could sell the land cheap to a developer and maybe something will get built in its place sooner than the rest of the east side of downtown. But then again, it will probably cost millions just to tear it down.

I know Dallas has a similar situation and has struggled to repurpose their vacant high rise jail. So it won't be easy.

User avatar
normalthings
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4692
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by normalthings »

FangKC wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:35 pm
The most likely conversion would be to a server farm. I bet it gets demolished though.
Secure server farm or secure storage. Could be a good site with long lines and federal offices next door.

shinatoo
Ambassador
Posts: 6675
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by shinatoo »

normalthings wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:36 pm
FangKC wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:35 pm
The most likely conversion would be to a server farm. I bet it gets demolished though.
Secure server farm or secure storage. Could be a good site with long lines and federal offices next door.
Could the county lease it and make back some money?
Quocunque Jeceris Stabit

User avatar
normalthings
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4692
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: New County Jail

Post by normalthings »

alejandro46 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:49 pm
New Jackson County jail location potentially finalized.
Completion of the facility is expected in 2024. When JCDC Partners was hired, architects said the estimated cost was about $270 million. The Star reports that Tarwater put the cost at $180 million to $200 million. KCUR reports that the cost is at least $266 million.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 32085.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ction.html

7000 E. U.S. 40 - Current site of Heart Mobile Home Park
https://g.page/HeartMobileVillage?share

City open to paying for use, but not willing to fund construction per article.
Formerly Heart Airport was here. You can see one of the hangars is still intact. The mobile home co-existed with the airport for years. In fact, almost every plot was full when the airport was still in use.

Post Reply