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The Secretary of the Interior's guidelines for building next to a historic building say that going to contrast is the best option. The goal being that the old and new are clearly identifiable as such. But of course, "more sympathetic" can mean anything.

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chaglang wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:36 pm
But of course, "more sympathetic" can mean anything.
Which means it means nothing.

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DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:55 pm
chaglang wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:36 pm
But of course, "more sympathetic" can mean anything.
Which means it means nothing.
But it's a great way to make a building owner respond to your whims.

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I think the request is to be more 'sympathetic' to the tower element. They just mean, don't overpower or compete with the clock tower. I agree with that. The new construction should not overpower the existing structure. I don't care if it gets taller to the west of the original building, but I noticed the new tower directly behind the clock tower when i first saw the renderings. Small change.

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I am so very sorry."Sympathetic" was not a quote, just my paraphrase. The actual words were detail,definition, pattern, and scale.

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All hail the clock tower!

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Ming?

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This place will become a Back to the Future forum if we’re not careful

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Back to the Future is a bunch of bull shit.
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shinatoo wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Back to the Future is a bunch of bull shit.
Wild take but alright.
For all my military brothers and sisters out there, thanks for paving the way, ill do my best! AIRBORNE!

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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 am
shinatoo wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Back to the Future is a bunch of bull shit.
Wild take but alright.
Sorry, Avengers reference.
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shinatoo wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:03 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 am
shinatoo wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Back to the Future is a bunch of bull shit.
Wild take but alright.
Sorry, Avengers reference.
Oh damn, my B, never seen it 😬
For all my military brothers and sisters out there, thanks for paving the way, ill do my best! AIRBORNE!

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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am
shinatoo wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:03 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 am


Wild take but alright.
Sorry, Avengers reference.
Oh damn, my B, never seen it 😬
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Time Travel explanations are usually interesting thought exercises.

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Drawings just updated but no major changes as far as I can tell. I think the new drawings respond to CPC comments and not the neighorhood (who wants more parking and a shorter building).

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Shorter building? It's not like there are single family houses surrounding the Katz building. There are two taller buildings within two blocks of there. The Alcazar Apartments and The Netherland.

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FangKC wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:25 pm
Shorter building? It's not like there are single family houses surrounding the Katz building. There are two taller buildings within two blocks of there. The Alcazar Apartments and The Netherland.
Can be summed up with “Please match the historic 2-3 floor nature of the area.” Seems like those community groups had suggestions but aren’t up in arms over this project like they were OPUS and others.

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I still really hate the Westport height plan that they decided on. Makes zero sense.

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normalthings wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:44 pm
FangKC wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:25 pm
Shorter building? It's not like there are single family houses surrounding the Katz building. There are two taller buildings within two blocks of there. The Alcazar Apartments and The Netherland.
Can be summed up with “Please match the historic 2-3 floor nature of the area.” Seems like those community groups had suggestions but aren’t up in arms over this project like they were OPUS and others.
If that rule applied, we would have nothing but 1-2 story log and cut limestone buildings downtown. If it becomes the new standard, there won't be any dense development along most of the Main Street streetcar line.
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FangKC wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:49 am
If it becomes the new standard, there won't be any dense development along most of the Main Street streetcar line.
That's exactly what preservationists want. I'm sure they're also convinced you can address affordability that way, when the exact opposite is true unless everything is subsidized for that purpose.

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