Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

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Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by chrizow » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:00 pm

Per Historic KC chatter, there have been demo permits pulled for 4728, 4730 & 4734 Summit.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/4734+ ... 4b!6m1!1e1

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by earthling » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:19 pm

WTF, for what?

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by mean » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:22 pm

Something significantly less attractive, no doubt.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by chrizow » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:22 pm

owner is price brothers, so i am guessing some kind of residential project? no idea though.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by smh » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:42 pm

Wow, what a shame. Beautiful buildings.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by kcjak » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:21 pm

Nice character on the outside, but I don't think they've spent a dime on the interior in decades. Lower-end rentals are becoming fewer and fewer.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by moderne » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:39 pm

It is very valuable prime property. Easily walkable to heart of Plaza without having to go up or down any hill.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by earthling » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:44 pm

kcjak wrote:Nice character on the outside, but I don't think they've spent a dime on the interior in decades. Lower-end rentals are becoming fewer and fewer.
They can be upgraded just as Armour Blvd buildings were - even higher end. You cant build these again, ever.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by mean » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:06 pm

earthling wrote:They can be upgraded just as Armour Blvd buildings were - even higher end. You cant build these again, ever.
Well, I suppose someone could. I mean, brick and stone are still things that exist in the world. It's just that now they're usually used for a facade on top of Tyvek and plywood or whatever.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by shinatoo » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:36 pm

Eh, not a huge loss. This is exactly the product of the same argument we are having about surface parking downtown. Nothing gets built until property value warrants it. Same goes for the value of low rise building getting replaced when the land value is high enough. It's a symptom of the success of the plaza.
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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by ThorsteinVeblen » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:57 pm

I remember looking at an apartment rental in one of those a few years ago. It was pretty dumpy then. My guess is they want to build something denser but then again, who knows.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by flyingember » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:20 pm

they could keep the historic fronts, build new behind them with a single brick structure behind. then put glass and a nice metal for floors above and take it to five floors. go with the clearly not historic look but maintain the front as a cool aspect to the building.

even if not taller and denser, modern and higher lease makes sense.

but yeah, park adjacent and a block from the plaza at one jobs center and with easy access to multiple others. it's prime land. the taxes have to be a fortune.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by slimwhitman » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:04 pm

The Cancer Survivor's Park will seem less lovely with these gone.

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Post by pash » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:31 pm

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by beautyfromashes » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:39 pm

How long til the Cancer's Survivor Park gets turned into another Law firm highrise?

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by Midtownkid » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:39 pm

This is awful. Just keep chipping away at the Plaza's charm.

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Post by JBmidtown » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:02 pm

"chipping away at the Plaza's charm" lol

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by flyingember » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:50 pm

Midtownkid wrote:This is awful. Just keep chipping away at the Plaza's charm.
on the south there's mostly modern apartment highrises, a nondescript hotel and a row of historic apartments

on the north is a series of modern high rises and apartment buildings

on the west you have 1930s on one corner but to the north it's way more modern. On the NE corner is a 1960s structure

on the east is way more modern than the Plaza. It's a rather suburban street, feeling much like 95th and Antioch with a church, a strip mall and a restaurant in a parking lot with apartments behind it.

if you look at the core of the plaza a lot of the store fronts are modern as well. Many of them are brick or stucco with glass and metal at the actual store. there's huge variety here

It's basically a shopping district with a US route through it, a lot of stop lights and a major thru street on the south.

parking is in large garages scattered throughout. the garages have giant blank faces with nothing at them in many cases like downtown. (Broadway north of 47th, the Jefferson St entrance for the garage behind the apple store, the one at the former Halls building, the one on 47th behind the Unity church, the entrance behind the Cheesecake factory, the side entrance for the one next to Barnes and Noble)

the second story has offices at them

the short buildings have decorations and public art in front of them. lots of fountains.

Take away the tall buildings and age and I just described Zona Rosa or Prairie Fire. The Plaza would fit into downtown well in a bowl pattern with the garages creating large blank faces on whole blocks.

So the charm to the Plaza is the artistic design and nothing more. It has nothing to do with the building height. It's the actual inclusion of tall modern buildings that make the style stand out so well.

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by FangKC » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:02 pm

Historic Kansas City's Facebook page has several photos of the buildings.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 7653606987

If the apartments are "dumpy," they can be remodeled. No need to tear the buildings down. These are charming little apartment buildings that were designed by Nelle E. Peters, one of the few women architects in the country at the time.

Just because a building is run-down doesn't mean it needs to be torn down. Many older apartment buildings have been remodeled and updated.

I also doubt another high-rise apartment building would get approved in the "flats" of the Plaza District. I recall some sort of zoning plan that discourages newer, taller buildings in that part of the Plaza, and only allowing them on the edges of the "bowl."

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Re: Historic Plaza Apts Being Demo'd?

Post by Midtownkid » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:35 am

Yes, the Plaza has been changed quite a bit since it was first built. Some development has been good, most has not. Just because it has been modernized and made more bland does not mean we should just not care any more!

I still think it is charming. Not only for the shop buildings (although I do hate the modern storefronts), but for the over all layout as well. The small gardens and courtyards are wonderful (though some were originally gas stations and what not.)

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