Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
mykn wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Nothing would have happened if the cops hadn’t been antagonizing the protesters all night. They blocked us from marching by the federal reserve and almost immediately tear gassed us, this kept happening. No one that I saw in the protest was doing anything that deserved that kind of a response.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Highlander wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:22 am
And at this point, they are no longer garnering sympathy for their cause and playing right into the hands of the committee to re-elect Trump. The unfortunate result will be that while CV19 was hurting his re-election chances, the violence and looting will benefit him far more than it will hurt him.
I think you’re too quick to prognosticate November.
For every person angered by the perceived or real protestors actions re: looting and property damage there’s just as many folks seeing a president throw out blatant racist dog whistles and a militarized police across the country charge at crowds with their cars, shoot at reporters and more. What happened last night in KC was horrific but it sadly pales in comparison to what happened in at least a dozen other cities.
We’re living thru the most chaotic year in at least a century. The future is going to be hazy for quite a while.
mykn wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Nothing would have happened if the cops hadn’t been antagonizing the protesters all night. They blocked us from marching by the federal reserve and almost immediately tear gassed us, this kept happening. No one that I saw in the protest was doing anything that deserved that kind of a response.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
mykn wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Nothing would have happened if the cops hadn’t been antagonizing the protesters all night. They blocked us from marching by the federal reserve and almost immediately tear gassed us, this kept happening. No one that I saw in the protest was doing anything that deserved that kind of a response.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Steve52 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:22 pm
Don't be surprised if the shit hits the fan on the Plaza tonight. Things are getting seriously ugly right now and escalating.
It will be heartbreaking if they burn portions of the Plaza. A huge majority of protesters are there peacefully, it's the minority within that group that wants to cause the problems.
To me, burning property and cars along with breaking windows and looting stores does nothing to advance a cause. If anything, it ruins and taints a cause. Sure, people have the right to be angry and protest but they do not have the right to destroy businesses because of their anger. Whatever happens tonight, let's just hope it doesn't ruin the Plaza for weeks or months to come.
There are ways to disperse unruly crowds without the usage of rubber bullets, tear gas canisters and flash bangs. LRAD is one but I'm not sure if the KCPD has it. Another is letting the protests continually peacefully without the police inciting issues. Let it happen and people will be fine. The unruly people will be dealt with accordingly.
There’s no denying opportunists have used this honest protest as cover to commit crimes. That always happens with large protests. That said, KCPD still bungled this whole thing. Changes are going to need to happen. Full local control would be a good starting point, but far from enough.
Steve52 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:22 pm
Don't be surprised if the shit hits the fan on the Plaza tonight. Things are getting seriously ugly right now and escalating.
It will be heartbreaking if they burn portions of the Plaza. ...To me, burning property and cars along with breaking windows and looting stores does nothing to advance a cause. If anything, it ruins and taints a cause. Sure, people have the right to be angry and protest but they do not have the right to destroy businesses because of their anger. Whatever happens tonight, let's just hope it doesn't ruin the Plaza for weeks or months to come.
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Vandalism, rioting, and burning of buildings doesn't accomplish anything. In fact, it can have long-term devastating effects on the very community that is seeking having their grievances addressed.
The riots in 1968, after the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination, harmed many neighborhoods in large cities. Not only did it result in white flight from many of those cities, but loss of neighborhood retail services, and jobs -- depopulation and loss of density. After buildings were burned, they weren't rebuilt. The retailers just picked up and moved to the suburbs. Many of our present food deserts are a long-term result of those actions 50 years ago. Retailers still haven't returned even though there is significant population there. That is why there isn't one movie theater in operation -- in the last 20 years (maybe longer) -- south of the river between Troost and Crysler Avenue on the east side--as far south of I-470. You could fit St. Joseph in that area.
That said, people of color--and their allies--have every reason to protest, and they should.
Firing rubber bullets and teargas at protestors can end up causing more harm.
The 1968 Kansas City riot occurred in Kansas City, Missouri, in April 1968.
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The riot was sparked when Kansas City Police Department deployed tear gas to the student protesters when they staged their performance outside City Hall.
The deployment of tear gas dispersed the protesters from the area, but other citizens of the city began to riot as a result of the Police action on the student protesters during a meeting with Mayor Ilus W. Davis. The resulting effects of the riot resulted in the arrest of over one hundred adults, and left five dead and at least twenty admitted to hospitals.
Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:30 pm
Seems to be quiet.
Have you had your hearing checked lately?
What I mean is relative to how it was yesterday night. There wasn’t that many problems from what I heard on the police scanner or saw in the Live Feeds on Fox 4 and KMBC. Sure, there was some loud events, but by “quiet” I mean not as many people and protests not continuing late into the night and into early morning. This protest basically ended around 11PM with some people hanging around afterward but nothing like Saturday night, if that makes sense.
mykn wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Nothing would have happened if the cops hadn’t been antagonizing the protesters all night. They blocked us from marching by the federal reserve and almost immediately tear gassed us, this kept happening. No one that I saw in the protest was doing anything that deserved that kind of a response.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Dude, they were teargassing people well before any curfew on Saturday night.
mykn wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Nothing would have happened if the cops hadn’t been antagonizing the protesters all night. They blocked us from marching by the federal reserve and almost immediately tear gassed us, this kept happening. No one that I saw in the protest was doing anything that deserved that kind of a response.
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Dude, they were teargassing people well before any curfew on Saturday night.
I would expect as much with an unlawful assembly and property damage occuring.. regardless of the curfew.
Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:51 pm
It will be heartbreaking if they burn portions of the Plaza. A huge majority of protesters are there peacefully, it's the minority within that group that wants to cause the problems.
Kinda like how the huge majority of cops are not dirty, it's the minority within that group that causes the problems...
Wasn't there a curfew last night? And, weren't the protests only allowed on the sidewalk (As is the norm)?
What do you expect the police to do when folks are breaking those two rules? Of course they're going to block you from marching to certain places, etc. There whole purpose at that point is simply to disperse a crowd and make everyone go home.
Dude, they were teargassing people well before any curfew on Saturday night.
I would expect as much with an unlawful assembly and property damage occuring.. regardless of the curfew.
Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:51 pm
It will be heartbreaking if they burn portions of the Plaza. A huge majority of protesters are there peacefully, it's the minority within that group that wants to cause the problems.
Kinda like how the huge majority of cops are not dirty, it's the minority within that group that causes the problems...
The Irony.
Protesting isn’t a job, being a cop is.
A cops job is to uphold the law, if they fail to arrest the dirty cops for braking the law then they are not good cops.
If they really cared about law and order they would uphold it for everyone equally
The policing profession needs to have it's own nationwide licensing and reporting program, much like doctors and lawyers where you can look up people.
It could be connected to an impartial review process that's not tied to the local community, protecting good cops when a boss in corrupt and reporting on bad cops. If they get a commendation it's recorded. Put the good and the bad. The idea is it encourages depts to do real reviews and enter good information. If someone gets a positive email from the public, record it. This will help an officer when they go for a promotion because it's the honest, full record.
Have an online system that's private where the cop gets a card and a pin code and all that and can see everything on their record.
It can connect to a nationwide system for finding officers. If you're looking for an officer who can fly a helicopter or is scuba certified you can search and send a message to them. If the officer shows interest their record is sent over for review.
I wouldn't do an anonymous code that tries to score an officer, let their whole record be the record.
