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Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:22 am

beautyfromashes wrote:What's the 'soccer field' on the NE corner?
it's another building and their parking lot. Owned by VFW.

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Re: Broadway

Post by mgh7676 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:19 pm

New renderings of the MGE Building.
http://baarchitecture.com/projects/midtown-plaza/15BRO
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Re: Broadway

Post by AlbertHammond » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:49 pm

Better. Glad to see the "garagescape" removed from Pennsylvannia but the phase III apartment building is floating in a sea of parking lots. The phase three building need to be rotated to face 34th Terr to build a nice street edge. To fill the gap on 34th Street, slide a townhouse building there.
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Even better....leave Washington in place. Superblocks are bad.
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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:37 pm

One benefit to the current design is there's a block worth of frontage on 34th that could be built on in the future and keep the rear parking intact.

To flip the red building 90 degrees along 34th you end up with a very large interior lot, harder space to redevelop than something street facing.

I'm not hung up on keeping Washington since it's a dead end on both sides. A superblock here isn't a bad tradeoff.

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Re: Broadway

Post by AlbertHammond » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:22 pm

flyingember wrote:One benefit to the current design is there's a block worth of frontage on 34th that could be built on in the future and keep the rear parking intact.

To flip the red building 90 degrees along 34th you end up with a very large interior lot, harder space to redevelop than something street facing.
We shouldn't be talking about redeveloping something that hasn't even been built yet. Whatever they build now (even parking) won't be touched for another 20, 30, 40 years. Get all the street (public realm) experiences right now rather than do it half right now and hope for the rest to get fixed 40 years from now.

Regarding Washington....think of it as the first leg of getting the neighboring superblocks trimmed down as they redevelop. Superblocks go against a good urban fabric. Every one we add, degrades the urban experience.

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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:38 pm

Not redeveloping, infill development. Plan the site to maximize the number of buildings that can get put in. A lot can be taken out next year, a building not for decades.

The 300 and 400 block of Wyandotte is a good example. it's going slowly but two infill houses were built on that block

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Re: Broadway

Post by mgh7676 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:46 pm

flyingember wrote:One benefit to the current design is there's a block worth of frontage on 34th that could be built on in the future and keep the rear parking intact.

To flip the red building 90 degrees along 34th you end up with a very large interior lot, harder space to redevelop than something street facing.

I'm not hung up on keeping Washington since it's a dead end on both sides. A superblock here isn't a bad tradeoff.
But, if Washington Street is kept, the red building is fronting a road and the interior lots are kept a lot smaller. Considering a superblock essentially creates deadspace, why would we limit the initial impact of the development by putting the red apartment through the middle with the hope that eventually development would be created along 34th?

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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:07 pm

Why is a superblock always bad?

How else do you create a pedestrian only street?

A one block dead end street is the perfect place to get one.

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Re: Broadway

Post by missingkc » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:28 pm

Just consider the parking lot with access to 34th and 34th terrace to be Washington with traffic calming.

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Re: Broadway

Post by AlbertHammond » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:25 am

flyingember wrote:Why is a superblock always bad?

How else do you create a pedestrian only street?
HaHa!!!! ...a pedestrian-only street. Stop with the jokes. Show me your favorite pedestrian street in KC (that is successful and not subsidized).
This ain't no college town or a huge transit town with a strong pedestrian base.

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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:54 am

AlbertHammond wrote:
flyingember wrote:Why is a superblock always bad?

How else do you create a pedestrian only street?
HaHa!!!! ...a pedestrian-only street. Stop with the jokes. Show me your favorite pedestrian street in KC (that is successful and not subsidized).
This ain't no college town or a huge transit town with a strong pedestrian base.
Main St, 3rd to 5th

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Re: Broadway

Post by AlbertHammond » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:06 am

flyingember wrote:
AlbertHammond wrote:
flyingember wrote:Why is a superblock always bad?

How else do you create a pedestrian only street?
HaHa!!!! ...a pedestrian-only street. Stop with the jokes. Show me your favorite pedestrian street in KC (that is successful and not subsidized).
This ain't no college town or a huge transit town with a strong pedestrian base.
Main St, 3rd to 5th
Really? Thanks for proving my point.

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Re: Broadway

Post by flyingember » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:23 am

How about 4th St then, which intercepts it?

Main is used by cars only for deliveries to the businesses along it and they have to jump the curb from the parking lot to get there.

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Re: Broadway

Post by mgh7676 » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:23 pm

I don't trust renderings that have include "bycicle" stores.

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Re: Broadway

Post by taxi » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:14 pm

That is the whitest Midtown Plaza I have ever seen.

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Re: Broadway

Post by earthling » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:44 pm

A Trader Joes would be sweet in that spot.

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Re: Broadway

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:47 pm

taxi wrote:That is the whitest Midtown Plaza I have ever seen.
earthling wrote:A Trader Joes would be sweet in that spot.
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Re: Broadway

Post by geeman68 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:49 pm

Did anyone notice that the rendering looks like late spring/early summer with folks dressed up in shorts/light shirts than BAM, a woman and her child are in winter wear?

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Re: Broadway

Post by taxi » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:56 pm

geeman68 wrote:Did anyone notice that the rendering looks like late spring/early summer with folks dressed up in shorts/light shirts than BAM, a woman and her child are in winter wear?
Cut and pastey.

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Re: Broadway

Post by bobbyhawks » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:13 pm

geeman68 wrote:Did anyone notice that the rendering looks like late spring/early summer with folks dressed up in shorts/light shirts than BAM, a woman and her child are in winter wear?
Also, the guy holding two toddlers is walking into the middle of traffic.

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