Westport

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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Nothing will change unless ownership changes.

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When the sidewalks were vacated, it was because the businesses decided that they didn't want to change how they operated. The sidewalk vacation pushed the district's crime problems from the street outside the bars to the streets surrounding Westport. I'd expect these kinds of crimes to continue to happen.

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chaglang wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:54 am
When the sidewalks were vacated, it was because the businesses decided that they didn't want to change how they operated. The sidewalk vacation pushed the district's crime problems from the street outside the bars to the streets surrounding Westport. I'd expect these kinds of crimes to continue to happen.
That's the thing that's a little puzzling because sure some of the crimes happened in the middle of Westport but mostly just like now the shootings are happening out of the main area. So just about nothing haa really changed and even more money is being spent. Its quite odd.

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It's almost like the sidewalk vacation plan was more of a land grab by the businesses and not an actual crime reduction strategy.

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It probably doesn't help that Missouri has gun laws that allow practically anyone to have an open carry, concealed carry gun without permits, background checks, anything.

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FangKC wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 pm
It probably doesn't help that Missouri has gun laws that allow practically anyone to have an open carry, concealed carry gun without permits, background checks, anything.
There are plenty of neighborhoods without rampant gun play. It's about content!

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When I bought my house in 2008, my neighborhood was very quiet. After the legislature overruled Gov. Nixon's veto on changes in gun laws in Missouri, within a year there was the constant sound of gunfire in the neighborhood, almost nightly. When I couldn't hear it myself, I could see it was happening in another part of the neighborhood by posts on Facebook.

Businesses in St. Louis are threatening to leave downtown over night-time gunfire and getting their windows shot out. It's not just a small restaurant. It is their biggest employers.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... in-article

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FangKC wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:09 pm
When I bought my house in 2008, my neighborhood was very quiet. After the legislature overruled Gov. Nixon's veto on changes in gun laws in Missouri, within a year there was the constant sound of gunfire in the neighborhood, almost nightly. When I couldn't hear it myself, I could see it was happening in another part of the neighborhood by posts on Facebook.

Businesses in St. Louis are threatening to leave downtown over night-time gunfire and getting their windows shot out. It's not just a small restaurant. It is their biggest employers.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... in-article
STL had almost 400 cases of buildings being shot in their downtown alone last year. We have thankfully been spared from this level of random violence.

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FangKC wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 pm
It probably doesn't help that Missouri has gun laws that allow practically anyone to have an open carry, concealed carry gun without permits, background checks, anything.
KC had issues with violent crime before then.

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It's not about violent crime. It's about stupidity. Young people riding around in cars shooting at things. Irresponsible people standing in their back yard shooting up into the air. Before 2016, I never once called 911 to report gunfire at night. I lived in my house more than seven years without it happening. It's now a regular "thing," and it's a common talking point on the neighborhood Facebook page. My neighbor has lived in her house for 55 years, and she says it was never like this until recently.

My point is that there was a huge uptick in gunfire at night after 2016 when the legislature allowed concealed carry of firearms without a permit, any training, or background checks. Virtually anyone can buy a gun without demonstrating any responsibility, maturity, or experience in handling one.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2159695 ... /?q=bullet

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