OFFICIAL: Port Authority Riverfront Project

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KCPowercat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:59 am that linear park is not going to scratch Grid's itch in the least.
Haha, probably, but it's a start. The thing about the 670 deck is that it will basically just function like a few pocket parks for those living nearby which is fine.

It could be a grand "destination" type park, but I don't see that happening in KC since something like that would cost twice as much to build and way more to maintain and KC typically does things on the cheap.

It's still a needed project and because there is a good chance much of it could be funded by the feds it would be silly to not move forward with it asap.

But yeah, it needs to be just a part of a much larger more comprehensive urban plan which just doesn't seem to exist in KC.
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It's not big enough to be a grand park or part of a urban rec network no matter how much money you throw at it.

Grand ped bridge into riverfront and getting the levees activated east and west along with the trail along the RR tracks by union Station and getting the two hooked together N/s on either side is more what you are hoping to see
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KCPowercat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:03 pm It's not big enough to be a grand park or part of a urban rec network no matter how much money you throw at it.

Grand ped bridge into riverfront and getting the levees activated east and west along with the trail along the RR tracks by union Station and getting the two hooked together N/s on either side is more what you are hoping to see
I don't think it would be a grand park or anything close to a large park, but still a transformative project with a major impact on several blocks around it. 3,000 or 4,000 people within steps away.
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KCPowercat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:03 pm It's not big enough to be a grand park or part of a urban rec network no matter how much money you throw at it.

Grand ped bridge into riverfront and getting the levees activated east and west along with the trail along the RR tracks by union Station and getting the two hooked together N/s on either side is more what you are hoping to see
Agree with the river, but as far as the 670 deck, I think you would be surprised at what can be done there.

Obviously the streets going through there is a big problem keeping it from being one continuous park. However, if you were to actually tunnel (or basically vent) the freeway and not just build free standing decks over each opening, you could do a lot more to calm the streets and make them interact much nicer within the park.

None of those streets are very busy, so having big crosswalks etc on them, getting rid of the bridge structures etc would make a massive difference.

However, even if you go with several floating pocket parks, each of them could be large enough to do some creative things making the area a destination at least for greater downtowners by adding topography and amenities to the parks. But again, the surrounding streets have to be calmed. Truman on both sides and the overpasses. Otherwise, the parks will just be isolated islands of grass and not very inviting.
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A tunnel would make the streets look more like this park in Dallas.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7897008 ... 384!8i8192

But I am envisioning something more like floating parks with gaps all around them so the freeway will not be considered a "tunnel" which changes everything as far as what needs to be done with the corridor. And it's way more expensive.

If KC goes the route of not making 670 an actual tunnel, they will need to get very creative on how to pull it off. I would think you would need to build some interesting elevated walking paths etc to connect the parks together and made it "fun" to be around all those streets. Something like:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chica ... 87.6297982

And with some manmade topography and bridges, you can absolutely make that 670 deck into a destination park.
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Whatever they do, make sure there is shade. No one will go there if it's an open plaza with the sun blazing down on you in July and August.
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I've been a huge proponent of the lid, its just two different things from grids beef about the derth of urban recreation in kc.

So the riverfront.....
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So, with the Origin Hotel announcement, the riverfront will eventually have three hotels? Origin, the one being planned by Northpoint, and the Casino KC hotel?
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FangKC wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:20 pm So, with the Origin Hotel announcement, the riverfront will eventually have three hotels? Origin, the one being planned by Northpoint, and the Casino KC hotel?
Who said NorthPoint has one planned? I don’t recall that project
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flyingember wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:46 am
KCDowntown wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:44 pm Final Development Plan submitted to the city for the 12A parcel (the NorthPoint development). Plans can be downloaded from the link.

346 units over 3 buildings, all 4 stories (1 with basement level), 511 total parking spaces. Construction start April 2020, finished December 2021.

Only a sliver of this project abuts Berkeley Parkway, and has zero setbacks there. Otherwise, it's surrounded by surface parking. Hopefully the hotel on the northern part of this Parcel will improve this block.

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The hotel (120 rooms) and BarK is using the 511 spaces, so the numbers look a lot better when you include everything.

A rough guess, if this was a suburban style development there would be closer to 2.5 spots per unit, for more than 1200 spots. As it's designed it's right around 1 spot per room so a lot of the apartment residents will be transit dependent or ride their bike to work.
It was mentioned here.
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langosta wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:37 am Image
And here. I believe the wedge parcel 12-B --up against the Grand Viaduct -- is being marketed for a hotel development.
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FangKC wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:33 pm
flyingember wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:46 am
KCDowntown wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:44 pm Final Development Plan submitted to the city for the 12A parcel (the NorthPoint development). Plans can be downloaded from the link.

346 units over 3 buildings, all 4 stories (1 with basement level), 511 total parking spaces. Construction start April 2020, finished December 2021.

Only a sliver of this project abuts Berkeley Parkway, and has zero setbacks there. Otherwise, it's surrounded by surface parking. Hopefully the hotel on the northern part of this Parcel will improve this block.

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The hotel (120 rooms) and BarK is using the 511 spaces, so the numbers look a lot better when you include everything.

A rough guess, if this was a suburban style development there would be closer to 2.5 spots per unit, for more than 1200 spots. As it's designed it's right around 1 spot per room so a lot of the apartment residents will be transit dependent or ride their bike to work.
It was mentioned here.
Looking back, it seems that the 12B hotel was an earlier location for the Origin Hotel. 12B is the low or mixed-income project now.
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Okay. Thanks for the clarification.
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Fullsized soccer field, practice field, team office/locker rooms, and a parking lot are planned for Parcel 9
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So I guess that is for the NWSL team? Any word on the stadium capacity? I wonder if SKC II (formerly Swope Park Rangers) could share the stadium.
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KCtoBrooklyn wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:15 pm So I guess that is for the NWSL team? Any word on the stadium capacity? I wonder if SKC II (formerly Swope Park Rangers) could share the stadium.
No apparent seating capacity. Just fields and the office/clubhouse.
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So just a training/practice facility? Seems like a waste of space for that location.
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KCtoBrooklyn wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:27 pm So just a training/practice facility? Seems like a waste of space for that location.
Plans say a corporate office and secured team/player parking.
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KCtoBrooklyn wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:27 pm So just a training/practice facility? Seems like a waste of space for that location.
I would be shocked if bleachers aren’t planned along with hosting KCcrew or local high school, club, or collegiate games. The MoDot ROW to the east is sloped and could be like the Community America Ballpark outfield if done right.
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