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Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:32 am
by missingkc
Yes, the big, empty lot.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:59 am
by moderne
There was a proposal to put a Hilton 800-1000 room on that lot in the early nineties.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:59 pm
by Rabble
There was a second building at this location as part of the original bid package for the KCS HQ. Not a twin but about the same size.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:59 pm
by missingkc
I thought I remembered something like that, Moderne. And, if I remember correctly, the family had no interest in selling. Of course, that was a long time ago. Perhaps they'll be receptive, now.
Also, if the city acquires the land and decides to build a parking deck, is there a way they could seek a developer to add additional use - office or residential - and offer use of the deck as an incentive?
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:51 pm
by FangKC
One would hope the City would consider some mixed use component. A street-grade restaurant on the corner would be nice. There are several hundred new residents west of Broadway in the new apartment communities. KCS, HNTB, Turner Construction, Americo, and DST employees might like a new eatery in the neighborhood. You'd also get some possible business from the Folly, Music Hall, and on Sundays from nearby churches.
New build would allow infrastructure for a kitchen, whereas many of the older spaces downtown weren't designed to easily adapt for that.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:09 pm
by smh
FangKC wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:51 pm
One would hope the City would consider some mixed use component. A street-grade restaurant on the corner would be nice. There are several hundred new residents west of Broadway in the new apartment communities. KCS, HNTB, Turner Construction, Americo, and DST employees might like a new eatery in the neighborhood. You'd also get some possible business from the Folly, Music Hall, and on Sundays from nearby churches.
New build would allow infrastructure for a kitchen, whereas many of the older spaces downtown weren't designed to easily adapt for that.
There is no reason to build a standalone garage, even if it includes a minor retail component. As you stated, this should be a mixed-use project including office, and perhaps residential. We can't let them build another Wolf garage.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:58 pm
by FangKC
Actually the Hyatt House atop a garage makes more sense at 12th and Broadway than at 9th and Broadway, then add some apartments on top of that. There would be some good views.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:11 pm
by TheLastGentleman
FangKC wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:58 pm
Actually the Hyatt House atop a garage makes more sense at 12th and Broadway than at 9th and Broadway, then add some apartments on top of that. There would be some good views.
I still like the 9th and broadway location. It will have a more unique set of views
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:16 pm
by KCPowercat
I couldn't watch it all but Hall and Shields were both pushing back in the 12th and Broadway land purchase for a cheap garage. That have me a little bit of faith.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:10 am
by FangKC
Kevin Collison reports the Council has rejected the proposal to purchase the 12th & Broadway lot to build a parking garage.
https://twitter.com/kckansascity/status ... 33153?s=20
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:53 am
by normalthings
Lucas is right, there are much higher purposes that this lot could be used for.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:45 am
by KCPowercat
Great to hear.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:00 pm
by KCPowercat
normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:53 am
Lucas is right, there are much higher purposes that this lot could be used for.
This is back but a new resolution requiring mixed use.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:21 am
by FangKC
If they could put a garage in, and a few floors of residential (like the new Power & LIght Apartments), with two or three small retail spaces and a small lobby, I'd be happy.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 am
by Midtownkid
I'm tired of the garage base - tenants above model. We need to be wrapping garages in usable building space so you don't see them and life is at street level. (Fang that may have been what you meant as Power & Light apartments are like this?)
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:49 pm
by alejandro46
Agreed, for the City to be building the project and be so hyped on affordable housing, at a minimum they could add a small amount of housing above the space.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:22 pm
by DColeKC
Midtownkid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 am
I'm tired of the garage base - tenants above model. We need to be wrapping garages in usable building space so you don't see them and life is at street level. (Fang that may have been what you meant as Power & Light apartments are like this?)
How do you propose this is accomplished? Buildings like 1 and 2 light have retail and office on the ground levels. 2,3 and 4 will feature retail or office on the ground level followed by a parking garage, then residential. To wrap an entire parking garage with useable building space, you’d more than double the height of the parking garage. These buildings are also built on smaller footprints which would make for nearly worthless parking garages. The Two Light garage is already very tight.
The next best option is obviously underground garages but not only are they expensive, that means you also end up with much shorter buildings.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm
by Midtownkid
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:22 pm
Midtownkid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 am
I'm tired of the garage base - tenants above model. We need to be wrapping garages in usable building space so you don't see them and life is at street level. (Fang that may have been what you meant as Power & Light apartments are like this?)
How do you propose this is accomplished? Buildings like 1 and 2 light have retail and office on the ground levels. 2,3 and 4 will feature retail or office on the ground level followed by a parking garage, then residential. To wrap an entire parking garage with useable building space, you’d more than double the height of the parking garage. These buildings are also built on smaller footprints which would make for nearly worthless parking garages. The Two Light garage is already very tight.
The next best option is obviously underground garages but not only are they expensive, that means you also end up with much shorter buildings.
Single loaded corridor with units that aren't very deep, but long. May not make sense to do that on a small lot.
If it's not feasible, would be nice if the garage's screening looked more like the rest of the building and less like a screen in front of a garage. City Hall's parking garage did a descent job of this.
First preference would be underground parking! The use of a parking podium as a way to make a building taller is not a thrill to me.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:42 pm
by beautyfromashes
I don’t understand why the city is involved in purchasing and developing this garage space. I know that it reduces the required parking on the BAP retrofit, but why can’t a private developer do this? It was said the city is getting a sweetheart deal, but I know that people don’t just give deals to the city for no reason. Shields pushing this hard. Sounds shady.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:11 pm
by KCPowercat
She was against it hard last time around. Someone got paid.