Downtown Baseball Stadium

[earthling]

I do think there is space to make more mixed use stadiums. You can do basics like ground floor, transparent Hof/museum, team store, bar, event space. Apartments should be part, at least as a bigger plan. That area needs people living there.

Yeah Collison's article alluded to more mixed use functions within stadium/arena projects but they are still typically independent buildings within a project site, not always seamlessly merged together into a hyper integrated mixed-use function. It's complicated to get many different architects/project teams to coordinate the more integrated things get but collaboration tools will continue to get better over time that will allow for more complex interaction within projects. Hopefully stadium architects think about taking integrated public access even a step further than what's happening today.

I've been a solutions/enterprise architect on IT side and we've always been thinking about collaboration methods to accomplish far more complex things 5+ years into the future, refining wacky ideas. Collaboration tools are a part of that, allowing dozens of different entities involved around world to deliver extremely complex visions.

The common theme I've been pressing on the rag has been isolated islands vs. collaboration/publicly accessible integration on pretty much every level and this potential project is an opportunity to take collaboration to a new level. W/out an early integrated vision isolated islands can quickly result (Hi W&R project team).

[WoodDraw]

Some of you over index way too much based on what you read here or online comments. Vocal minorites are going to vocal minority.

The plans are coming together for a fairly normal ballpark in the east village. There are smart people involved. KC has no shortage of good sports architects and they are familiar with Kansas City and the flagship elements the ballpark will demand.

The two main issues will be the public/private financing and making sure it's part of a neighborhood and not an island surrounded by surface lots. Not the size or price of concessions.

I do think there is space to make more mixed use stadiums. You can do basics like ground floor, transparent Hof/museum, team store, bar, event space. Apartments should be part, at least as a bigger plan. That area needs people living there.

There will be time to discuss all that.

God, I hope you are right, but it's depressing as hell reading the comments on every single online format there is (reddit, kc star, facebook, twitter, the local KC news channels etc). I mean it's like 95% of the people are not just against a downtown park, they get extremely worked up about even the idea. I guess time will tell, but unless this is going to happen without a public vote, I don't see it happening.

It's a little more complex than a public vote, and it's so early. I would say the general feeling, if not concensus feeling, is that the royals are ready to leave tsc and move downtown.

That breakup will take planning, and the chiefs will be involved too. They're going to want something. Planning that will be complex and the talks are above my pay grade. But people will be cognizant of the plan they give to the people.

Talks are so early, but I'm hopeful it'll be sold to the KC public as a signature city project. Expect the people involved to try to get promises for big events to help sell it. The royals parade, PL watch parties being shown on the, NFL draft, etc, they all play well in KC as a pride thing.

I know everyone is really hoping for the wc games to keep Kansas City with an image of a national and international player in American sports.
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If you think these conversations aren't happening, you're wrong. It's just a very delicate subject because people truly do love Kaufman and it all has to be rolled out perfectly. Everyone knows there's a save Kaufman campaign coming.

[WSPanic]

The Chiefs are going to be getting the TSC to themselves and can finally turn The K into practice fields/training area.

And, I don't know what a "signature city project" is necessarily, but it sounds an awful lot like something that is expected to receive 100% public financing. Which I will not support. If we want to gift the land to The Royals, that's fine, but they don't get a free billion dollar stadium. No way.

I'm hopeful Jackson county can get out of the stadium business altogether. It's just dumb luck we actually ended up with two good stadiums the last time around.

[flyingember]

The Chiefs are going to be getting the TSC to themselves and can finally turn The K into practice fields/training area.

They'll tear the current stadium down. The cost of facility maintenance would far surpass it's value over the long run.

[WSPanic]

No kidding.

[flyingember]

No kidding.

So it will become parking, they won't move their practice facility when they can add premium parking that close to an entrance.

[shinatoo]

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No kidding.

So it will become parking, they won't move their practice facility when they can add premium parking that close to an entrance.

I bet they build a new Arrowhead Stadium on the old K site.

[StL_Dan]

the new mayor of independence is now very angry, although she makes an excellent point about what would happen to the existing stadium if a new one were built downtown (likely demolished, although there are reuse possibilities).

More parking space (and $$$ for the Hunts) for the Arrowhead tailgaters.

[KCPowercat]

I don't know how much this would add to the kitty but Jackson county developing some of the TSC land into something couldn't hurt.

[earthling]

t it sounds an awful lot like something that is expected to receive 100% public financing. Which I will not support. If we want to gift the land to The Royals, that's fine, but they don't get a free billion dollar stadium. No way.

I'm hopeful Jackson county can get out of the stadium business altogether. It's just dumb luck we actually ended up with two good stadiums the last time around.

Agree, which is why it should be a project that involves primarily daily public access functions that secondarily happens to have a baseball/event field fused into it. Rather than an isolated baseball stadium that has some separate hotel/residential, which only those using those functions benefit from.

[alejandro46]

I don't know how much this would add to the kitty but Jackson county developing some of the TSC land into something couldn't hurt.

New jail site??

[StL_Dan]

I don't know how much this would add to the kitty but Jackson county developing some of the TSC land into something couldn't hurt.

New jail site??

Heh. But, the need is real.

[langosta]

I honestly think that if the Royals don’t get a DT stadium done, SKC will make the move there. They sell out every game. Soccer is becoming a major sport on pace with MLB and NLF. And they will need a larger stadium than Sporting Park in the next decade. They also seem to have a demographic that matches DT. I think KC residents would vote for it too because we would be ‘stealing’ a sport from KS.

Sporting has a capacity of 18k. STL's stadium will be around 22K and Nashville around 30K.

[horizons82]

FWIW, sporting designed their stadium with expansion in mind. They can add 8k seats to the east end of the stadium alone.

Here’s a star article from a few years back on it:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/sp ... 46573.html

[smh]

t it sounds an awful lot like something that is expected to receive 100% public financing. Which I will not support. If we want to gift the land to The Royals, that's fine, but they don't get a free billion dollar stadium. No way.

I'm hopeful Jackson county can get out of the stadium business altogether. It's just dumb luck we actually ended up with two good stadiums the last time around.

Agree, which is why it should be a project that involves primarily daily public access functions that secondarily happens to have a baseball/event field fused into it. Rather than an isolated baseball stadium that has some separate hotel/residential, which only those using those functions benefit from.

I'm not sure how well it functions in practice, but the SF Giants ballpark has a park/playground in the outfield that is open to the public at non-game times via a secondary entrance. You just sign in on your way in so they know how many people are inside the grounds (or at least that was the case 5 years ago).

[alejandro46]

Quinton Lucas: Taxes for transit, incentives for developers: Heck no, we need to prioritize trash service and potholes.

Quinton Lucas: More taxes for (campaign supporters)firefighters and sports stadiums - - Hecka yea!

[TheSmokinPun]

FWIW, sporting designed their stadium with expansion in mind. They can add 8k seats to the east end of the stadium alone.

Here’s a star article from a few years back on it:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/sp ... 46573.html

Much too late to expand. They'll move sooner than later closer to downtown.

[missingkc]

In what way is it too late?

[normalthings]

FWIW, sporting designed their stadium with expansion in mind. They can add 8k seats to the east end of the stadium alone.

Here’s a star article from a few years back on it:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/sp ... 46573.html

Is it just my internet acting up or is that Star article like a single paragraph long?

[mister816]

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Is it just my internet acting up or is that Star article like a single paragraph long?
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