Downtown Baseball Stadium

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Not trying to argue. I mean call it what you want. But the gov area of downtown includes the fed courthouse, the civic mall, the FAA building, city hall, the KCPD HQ, the city and county jail, the big federal building, the county courthouse, the state building etc. It just seems odd to name anything that is only like 6-8 blocks a name. A development name I guess, but not really a "neighborhood".

I have always thought downtown as having Quality Hill, CBD, Government and now maybe P&L. Maybe Garment? Library district, north loop etc all seemed overkill to me or are just areas of a larger district.

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It’s definitely just marketing

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But as far as whether or not a new DT stadium is an actual possibility- I’d say yes. Mainly because the new owner says as much.

The last time it was a discussion I don’t think it was ever actually a possibility because the previous owner certainly didn’t care where the stadium was located, let alone would put any political effort into making it happen.

Current ownership group has the political pull and seems to have the desire.

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GRID wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:35 pm
It just seems odd to name anything that is only like 6-8 blocks a name. A development name I guess, but not really a "neighborhood".
You need to think 3D for why smaller geography names make sense. A multi building development downtown can rival a neighborhood in scale

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kboish wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:43 pm
But as far as whether or not a new DT stadium is an actual possibility- I’d say yes. Mainly because the new owner says as much.

The last time it was a discussion I don’t think it was ever actually a possibility because the previous owner certainly didn’t care where the stadium was located, let alone would put any political effort into making it happen.

Current ownership group has the political pull and seems to have the desire.
I'd still love to see this happen. While it's true that it will not be the catalyst that it would have been 20 years ago, there's still a lot of space downtown that could benefit from it and East Village is the perfect locale. I've watched downtown development almost all my life and I don't see East Village being infilled within the next few decades. There is still so many gaps all over downtown that will be infilled before anything ever lands in East Village that we are still a couple of generations away, even with the accelerated growth in the urban core in the last 10 years.

The biggest difficulty will be on the Royals organization to sell downtown to those who buy the tickets. The vast majority enjoy the simplicity of the giant parking lots and a line-of-sight walk to the stadiums. Although I am absolutely convinced that traffic would be less of a problem for a downtown stadium than it would be for Royals Stadium (and parking, while less straightforward, would not really be an issue), those will be difficult concepts for most people to come to grips with. KC would need to find a way to move people from the west loop to east village but that's not an insurmountable problem.

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kboish wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:43 pm
The biggest difficulty will be on the Royals organization to sell downtown to those who buy the tickets. The vast majority enjoy the simplicity of the giant parking lots and a line-of-sight walk to the stadiums....
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GRID wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:50 pm
Yes, east village is a retarded name, especially for an area that is nothing but a few buildings and parking lots. lol

But my question is this. Is this stadium thing even a real topic? Every single thing I see online on any social media or local media (kc star, tv news etc) to just bombarded with comments from people that HATE the idea of a downtown stadium. This is a hot topic when it comes up and draws lots of comments and like 90% of them on any platform sound like a bunch of country bumkin people that are scared to go within 10 miles of downtown.

Regardless if you are for a stadium or not, reading those comments makes me embarrassed to be a KC expat. You could say that it's just the vocal minority like the KCI airport crowd? I hope so, but right now, I think that at least 80% of sports fans in KC hate the idea of a downtown stadium.

So if it does happen, is it going to happen without a public vote and be funded with private money?
It's the most infuriating thing when I read those comments. It's the typical folks who have zero ability to look into the future, they just don't like change. They fail to understand that by talking about a downtown stadium, no on his saying Kauffman sucks. We are saying it's old and doing nothing for the city in its current location.

I love when they say, "If you move it downtown, where will we tailgate?" Well, first off.... YOU DON'T TAILGATE BASEBALL unless your team is so miserable you'd rather eat hotdogs in the parking lot. Kauffman is near the bottom in concession sales in the league... those sales help with rosters... rosters help win games.

Then you have the "parking and traffic is a nightmare" stupidity. We all know there's ample parking, public trans and a traffic study has been and would be done again. Going to the K now isn't a traffic wet dream, so I'm not sure what they're worried about besides not having a billion acre concrete parking lot?

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DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:03 pm
Then you have the "parking and traffic is a nightmare" stupidity. We all know there's ample parking, public trans and a traffic study has been and would be done again. Going to the K now isn't a traffic wet dream, so I'm not sure what they're worried about besides not having a billion acre concrete parking lot?
I went to a game at PNC park a few years back (visiting family north of Pittsburgh and conveniently caught a Royals vs Pirates game) and we had shown up literally 20 mins before first pitch, parked 3 blocks away under the highway viaduct (which I imagine would be used for nothing if no stadium was there) and walked to the game. Made it inside with 5 mins to spare and left following the game within 20 mins. Not just made it to the car and was waiting in traffic, but on the highway heading home from the game. People who think it would be a parking issue are completely disillusioned by this suburban mentality that if you can’t see a surplus of parking there isn’t enough.
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The total money picture probably looks better

There's downtown residents that it could be an impluse event
There's the ability for a business to all go for a weekday game and use their existing parking
There's obviously more hotel rooms, and visitors could fit a game in after a day at a convention or other activity, many of these people picked up a hotel or event shuttle to downtown

It doesn't take much of a new increase in ticket sales to counter the lost parking revenue.


Four tickets at just $20 each is the revenue of 5 cars. One car could hold 3-4 people. Better to increase ticket sales than parking.

A Pick 10 pack is worth a minimum of $16 per game. For a car with four in it that's $64 worth of tickets
Parking is worth $15 per game

It just makes sense for them to upsell tickets

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flyingember wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:49 am
The total money picture probably looks better

There's downtown residents that it could be an impluse event
There's the ability for a business to all go for a weekday game and use their existing parking
There's obviously more hotel rooms, and visitors could fit a game in after a day at a convention or other activity, many of these people picked up a hotel or event shuttle to downtown

It doesn't take much of a new increase in ticket sales to counter the lost parking revenue.


Four tickets at just $20 each is the revenue of 5 cars. One car could hold 3-4 people. Better to increase ticket sales than parking.

A Pick 10 pack is worth a minimum of $16 per game. For a car with four in it that's $64 worth of tickets
Parking is worth $15 per game

It just makes sense for them to upsell tickets
All around, it's a better experience for the fans and a better situation for KC. I'm just surprised the new owner is able to see past the parking revenue (and potentially the loss of some food sales as well due to so many nearby restaurants) to push for a DT stadium. He must see the upside. I would think there's also room enough in East Village to build a stadium and provide at least some parking which the Royals could control.

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Highlander wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:03 pm
flyingember wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:49 am
The total money picture probably looks better

There's downtown residents that it could be an impluse event
There's the ability for a business to all go for a weekday game and use their existing parking
There's obviously more hotel rooms, and visitors could fit a game in after a day at a convention or other activity, many of these people picked up a hotel or event shuttle to downtown

It doesn't take much of a new increase in ticket sales to counter the lost parking revenue.


Four tickets at just $20 each is the revenue of 5 cars. One car could hold 3-4 people. Better to increase ticket sales than parking.

A Pick 10 pack is worth a minimum of $16 per game. For a car with four in it that's $64 worth of tickets
Parking is worth $15 per game

It just makes sense for them to upsell tickets
All around, it's a better experience for the fans and a better situation for KC. I'm just surprised the new owner is able to see past the parking revenue (and potentially the loss of some food sales as well due to so many nearby restaurants) to push for a DT stadium. He must see the upside. I would think there's also room enough in East Village to build a stadium and provide at least some parking which the Royals could control.
A “Ball Park Village” of sorts would likely get developed by the same group.

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Kauffman Village?
Kauffman Square?
Kauffman Park?

The stadium naming rights could sell every few years. Naming the area after Kaffman should stick.

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What are we going to name after David Glass? Brought us a WS win and two AL champs, kept the team in town when nobody wanted it. I know he wasn't loved like Mr. K, but he did as much as Mr. K did. Needs a statue at least.
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Kauffman Village or Square = greater area
Glass Park = an actual park with statue within area, maybe part of stadium grounds

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Crossposting this here from the book thread
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Just finished Paul Goldberger's new book, Ballpark. A nice history of baseball parks, from the wood structures of 19th century, through the concrete donuts of my childhood to the retros of today, and how they related to the American city.
Paul Goldberger will be speaking at the KCPL Plaza Branch at 6:30pm this coming Thursday.

https://cityscenekc.com/downtown-lunche ... park-book/

https://www.kclibrary.org/signature-eve ... rican-city

I finished reading Ballpark recently and thoroughly enjoyed it. I highly recommend it even if you're like me and aren't a big baseball person. It changed how I look at baseball stadiums and how they can be successfully integrated into urban environments.

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I'd take it. Apartment design needs tweaking but I like it overall.

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I like it but 30K seating is pretty small, smallest in MLB? Would be more intimate I suppose. The residential component pretty nice. But given it's essentially a fantasy rendering, they should add a few more 'potential' hirise residential towers overlooking left-center field.

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Trying to fit a major league baseball stadium into four square blocks is completely laughable.

You need nine. Minimum.

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Not to mention blocking three city streets and removing a freeway exit.

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