Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:49 am
Days Inn *Select*beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 pm If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?
Days Inn *Select*beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 pm If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?
So, if that’s the case, the council is risking losing $Ms in revenue for mostly political or optical reasons? How is that in our best interest as citizens?mister816 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 pmnopebeautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 pm If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?
Same logic applies to Strata, and the streetcar for some on the council.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:35 pmSo, if that’s the case, the council is risking losing $Ms in revenue for mostly political or optical reasons? How is that in our best interest as citizens?mister816 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 pmnopebeautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 pm If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?
It feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.
The Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this. CB is active in the community and donates to charities and politicians. More jobs in a new office building isn’t a hard sell politically. Summary: Good Developer, Good Project, Will Probably Get Builtbeautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:31 pmIt feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.
It’s interesting that you say this because the Strata meeting that I saw, I was really annoyed at the statements from one of the presenters. Older gentlemen, white hair, didn’t catch his name. He started talking about the need for parking DT and how it was going to become critical, that the city should double parking spaces... really arrogant too. It seemed like such a 1980s presentation. I do like the design of the building, it just makes me desirous of a fresh crop of developers in this city. The old guard needs to go.normalthings wrote: ↑ The Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this.
You nailed it. I am sitting in my office in NY, drinking pumpkin spice coffee* and I can hear those guys laughing.normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:32 pmThe Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this. CB is active in the community and donates to charities and politicians. More jobs in a new office building isn’t a hard sell politically. Summary: Good Developer, Good Project, Will Probably Get Builtbeautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:31 pmIt feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.
The Bravo team comes off as the exact opposite. They come unprepared for meetings and do not reach out to the relevant organizations on time or at all. Their project doesn’t seem fully fleshed out and I personally struggle to understand why they are including a performance center down the street. It adds little value to the project and just sucks up more funds. The developers aren’t well know and pretty much zero information can be found out about them online. An ultra luxury hotel is a hard sell politically. Summary: Bad Developer, Bad Project, No Build
It seems to me that whether this hotel is built without the incentives will be the test of if we have entered this new stage you talk about.FangKC wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:06 am Yes, antibiotics are necessary, but they have to be used responsibly and not for all situations. TIF is the same. TIF was necessary to create the environment for private reinvestment to happen. Once the Loop is healthy, there will still be a need to apply TIF to solve problems in other areas.
From DowntownKC’s 2019 Development MapHilton Bravo Hotel - Planned - Site slated for a new construction, 300-room hotel.
A new tallest building for the Crossroads was at onetime one in the works for that intersection. It could be that.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... s_headlineThe $63 million luxury hotel proposed near the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts will face a tougher road to a city incentive package after a big rejection on Thursday.
The Tax Increment Financing Commission of Kansas City voted 8-3 to deny a request for a massive incentive package after six months of delays that the panel offered to the developer in an effort to generate agreement among all concerned parties.