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Post by brewcrew1000 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:43 pm

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Could you imagine if Walmart went from being this small retail company to getting involved in all aspects of things related to the internet (Our Lives). There would be outrage.
Can you imagine if Walmart put a multi-thousand job satellite office in DT KC? There would be celebration :D
KC really should have been the HQ for Wal-Mart. Sam Walton started his first ben Franklin stores here but he fell in love with the natural beauty of NW Arkansas and settled there.

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Post by FangKC » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:35 pm

Amazon’s HQ2 Decision Was Always About Transit
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Those who tuned in from the very first episode of Amazon’s hunt for an HQ2 may recall one telling element of the initial bid for its next quarters outside of Seattle: The tech giant wanted good transportation. Wherever Amazon landed, direct access to trains and buses, in addition to highways and airports, would be critical. So in that sense, this season’s twist ending—it picked New York City and the Washington, D.C. suburbs—was no surprise. These are two of the best-connected transportation cities in the United States.

Few other cities on the shortlist of final contenders could have reasonably absorbed the influx of 50,000 workers on their existing transportation networks—which is why the news of transit’s primacy came as a reality check for otherwise strong candidates. “I felt like the region performed strongly on all of the criteria,” one booster in Raleigh, North Carolina, which made it to the last cut, told the News & Observer in the distant universe of September 2017. “And then you get to transit and you think, well that might be our weakness. Because we don’t have a mass transit system in place yet.”
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Post by bspecht » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:47 am

HQ2 choices were about availability of talent, plain and simple. There's an equation for attracting that talent that transit fits into, though.

Relevant: http://siliconprairienews.com/2018/11/g ... ce-of-hq2/

(Calling Crystal City the 'D.C. suburbs' is a bit of a stretch.)

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Post by tower » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:50 pm

I agree with the talent theory. Amazon looked for locations with transit, but they prioritized workforce size and universities, I'm.

But the city discovered its distance from the coasts was a problem, not a perk. “We were told when we didn’t make the final 20 that there was some concern about the size of Kansas City and the location in the middle of the country,” says Tim Cowden, CEO of the Kansas City Area Development Council.

https://www.theringer.com/tech/2018/11/ ... eft-behind

I think the "middle of the country" remark isnt so much about the fact that we are landlocked, but our proximity to other cities to take talent from. It is easier to get people to relocate from somewhere else if it is easy to go back and visit family, etc. Nashville, which got 5000 Amazon jobs, doesn't have much transit and is about the same size as KC, but it is 4 hours or less from Atlanta, Lousiville, Indianapolis and Cincinnati. Indianapolis, which was interested the top 20 with a ban on light rail imposed by the state is 4 hours or less from STL, Chicago, Columbus, Cincy, Nashville, and Louisville. (They both also have better universities in the city) The only other city within 4 hours of KC is STL.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by tower » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:18 pm

bspecht wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:47 am

(Calling Crystal City the 'D.C. suburbs' is a bit of a stretch.)
In more ways than one:
The Supreme Court of the United States has never issued a firm opinion on whether the retrocession of the Virginia portion of the District of Columbia was constitutional. In the 1875 case of Phillips v. Payne the Supreme Court held that Virginia had de facto jurisdiction over the area returned by Congress in 1847, and dismissed the tax case brought by the plaintiff. The court, however, did not rule on the core constitutional matter of the retrocession. Writing the majority opinion, Justice Noah Haynes Swayne stated only that:

The plaintiff in error is estopped from raising the point which he seeks to have decided. He cannot, under the circumstances, vicariously raise a question, nor force upon the parties to the compact an issue which neither of them desires to make.

The constitutionality of the retrocession has been called into question. The contract clause found in Article One of the United States Constitution prohibits states from breaching contracts to which they are themselves a party. By annexing Alexandria in 1847, Virginia may have breached its contractual obligation to "forever cede and relinquish" the territory for use as the permanent seat of the United States government. President William Howard Taft also believed the retrocession to be unconstitutional and tried to have the land given back to the District.
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by FangKC » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:38 pm

Amazon rethinks plan for New York HQ amid fierce opposition, report says
Amazon is reconsidering plans for a new headquarters in New York amid a torrent of public opposition, according to the Washington Post.

Executives have had internal discussions about whether to proceed with the New York plan or explore alternatives, the Post reported, citing two sources familiar with the company’s thinking.
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Under grilling at a recent city council hearing – where he further angered critics by saying Amazon would oppose any effort by its New York workers to unionize – company vice-president Brian Huseman dropped a veiled hint that the giant could pull out.

“We were invited to come to New York, and we want to invest in a community that wants us,” he said.
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Post by GRID » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:41 pm

DC area having second thoughts too.

Amazon has become the poster child of corporate welfare.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by FangKC » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Amazon cancels plans to build New York headquarters
Amazon is ditching its plans to build a new headquarters in New York after facing backlash from members of the community.
"After much thought and deliberation, we've decided not to move forward with our plans to build a headquarters for Amazon in Long Island City, Queens," Jodi Seth, an Amazon spokeswoman, said in a statement.
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In its statement, Amazon said it has no plans to "reopen the HQ2 search at this time." Instead, it plans to move forward with its office expansions in Virginia as well as Nashville, where it is building a new hub expected to employ 5,000 people.
That makes Virginia the clear winner of Amazon's very public HQ contest.
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:11 pm

So your saying we have a chance?

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Post by mister816 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:06 pm

I don't know if i want that chance anymore. The fact that they would want literally billions of dollars worth of tax incentives to build here give me pause. Jeff Bezos could literally spend 3% of his net worth and build a HQ but he would want the city to foot that bill. I don't want that at all.

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Post by brewcrew1000 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:53 pm

But it's taxes that were not there. It's not like they were giving out a billion before it started. It was just less taxes when they opened

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:48 pm

Would I pay 3B upfront to get 27B? Yep! No question.

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Post by mister816 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:55 pm

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Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:48 pm
Would I pay 3B upfront to get 27B? Yep! No question.
ofcourse. anyone who knows even a little about business would but then again, is 27B guaranteed? Where would the money be going? Look at Johnson county giving billions in tax cuts over the years and where did that leave them? cutting money from schools to compensate? I completely understand what amazon could do for a city and i also understand what it could do to harm a city. Queens did not send them packing for no reason.

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Post by normalthings » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:33 pm

mister816 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:55 pm
beautyfromashes wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:48 pm
Would I pay 3B upfront to get 27B? Yep! No question.
ofcourse. anyone who knows even a little about business would but then again, is 27B guaranteed? Where would the money be going? Look at Johnson county giving billions in tax cuts over the years and where did that leave them? cutting money from schools to compensate? I completely understand what amazon could do for a city and i also understand what it could do to harm a city. Queens did not send them packing for no reason.
Queens didn’t send Amazon packing, Manhattan and Brooklyn did. In fact, support for Amazon was highest among POC and low income brackets in Bronx and Queens. The deal was relatively popular among the groups and areas it was meant to help the most. Source- 538 & Nate silver

The problem with Joco is that the areas getting tax cuts can’t even pay for themselves in the long run at a full tax rate.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by FangKC » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:13 am

It's pretty bad though when the city in which you are headquartered, Seattle, sends city officials to New York City to testify, and warn them, not to do the deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... amazon-hq2
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Post by im2kull » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 am

mister816 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:06 pm
I don't know if i want that chance anymore. The fact that they would want literally billions of dollars worth of tax incentives to build here give me pause. Jeff Bezos could literally spend 3% of his net worth and build a HQ but he would want the city to foot that bill. I don't want that at all.
Cerner is already getting more for their Bannister complex, then Amazon was asking from NYC. Just an FYI.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by FangKC » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:00 am

Amazon still isn’t coming to Missouri as long as we’re a state that discriminates
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That’s not the case here, obviously. But doesn’t the fact that Amazon picked New York and a D.C. suburb in the first place tell you anything, Governor Parson?

If not, we will be the ones break it to you: The chances that Amazon or any other major tech company would locate a headquarters in a state where you can still be fired for being gay aren’t good.

“Open for business” used to mean a place with lower taxes and less regulation. But more and more, tolerance and diversity are not just highly valued by businesses, but mandatory.
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https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... tage_card4

Calling same-sex marriages ‘parody’? There’s nothing funny about bigoted Kansas bill
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Garber and his like-minded colleagues are entitled to introduce any legislation they want, of course. The rest of us are just as entitled to denounce the proposals as retrogressive and unsuitable for a state that professes support for tolerance, human equality and freedom of thought.

Same-sex marriage is a constitutional right in all 50 states. Since the U.S. Supreme Court recognized that right, thousands of committed same-sex couples have been married across the country without damage to the public welfare. In fact, the opposite is the case: Marriage equality has enriched the nation.

Some Kansas lawmakers want to create parody marriages. Instead, Kansans should reject parody legislation like this, which addresses a non-problem with bigotry and hate.
http://kcrag.com/posting.php?mode=edit&f=15&p=589058

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Post by brewcrew1000 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:07 am

What about all the other secondary businesses that would have been created cause of Amazon, you would have had new restaurants, coffee shops, dry cleaners, bars, etc cause of this Amazon HQ, i feel like the people of NYC messed this up - LIC is kind of a dump with not much housing, it really wasnt gonna displace too many residents

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by FangKC » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:53 pm

My guess is that this is one of the first strikes, of many to come, against corporate welfare.

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Post by beautyfromashes » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:10 pm

FangKC wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:53 pm
My guess is that this is one of the first strikes, of many to come, against corporate welfare.
The thing is, it only really takes one state to keep the gravy train going.

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