3rd & Grand to be redeveloped as TOD

[Riverite]

4 spaces for park and ride. That doesn’t seem right

Maybe they are shifting the park and ride down to the riverfront

[earthling]

If any more city built garages, it should be along the viaduct with a streetcar stop and/or near Bond Bridge exit. Would keep that many cars off downtown streets. And could lease to downtown residential buildings that have little/no parking.

[KCPowercat]

If any more city built garages, it should be along the viaduct with a streetcar stop and/or near Bond Bridge exit. Would keep that many cars off downtown streets. And could lease to downtown residential buildings that have little/no parking.

This would have made the riverfront extension make sense.

[flyingember]

If any more city built garages, it should be along the viaduct with a streetcar stop and/or near Bond Bridge exit. Would keep that many cars off downtown streets. And could lease to downtown residential buildings that have little/no parking.

What buildings have little to no parking that would be reachable by streetcar and couldn't lease parking from an existing parking garage that's much closer?

The city doesn't magically control the parking arrangements of private businesses to where a new garage would replace existing parking.

[normalthings]

4 spaces for park and ride. That doesn’t seem right

4 spaces is mentioned multiple times in the contract.KCATA to find additional offsite spaces for market visitors.

[earthling]

If any more city built garages, it should be along the viaduct with a streetcar stop and/or near Bond Bridge exit. Would keep that many cars off downtown streets. And could lease to downtown residential buildings that have little/no parking.

What buildings have little to no parking that would be reachable by streetcar and couldn't lease parking from an existing parking garage that's much closer?

The city doesn't magically control the parking arrangements of private businesses to where a new garage would replace existing parking.

^Was mostly thinking future projects. If city builds P&R/leaseable garages near end of line, future projects may not need to include much if any parking if able to arrange spots with these garages. And it keeps that many cars off downtown streets, especially for major events.

Many who move downtown don't need to use their car often so may be OK having it parked 15 or so minutes away, especially if it's a reasonably secured garage.

[dukuboy1]

As someone who works downtown, garage parking is a helluva racket. Most companies pay for all or subsidies parking for employees. Most garages are shared with residences in nearby residential buildings. I would love a garage that could be park and ride with a cheaper option. A nice secure garage with ability to get to street car into downtown would be great. I live in the Northland and I would use a Park & Ride train or street car

[flyingember]

^Was mostly thinking future projects. If city builds P&R/leaseable garages near end of line, future projects may not need to include much if any parking if able to arrange spots with these garages. And it keeps that many cars off downtown streets, especially for major events.

Many who move downtown don't need to use their car often so may be OK having it parked 15 or so minutes away, especially if it's a reasonably secured garage.

A public park and ride garage by design isn't secure. Secured garages need to be private, where you need to have a card even to enter it on foot. Maybe even with a giant metal garage door so you can't duck around the gate.



What value is there to move a bunch of car to the end of the line from inside downtown, wouldn't that mean less spots for people coming from outside downtown? And with all these cars moved to the end of the line, there's tons of empty spaces for workers and visitors to use.

Would be much better to reduce the amount of public parking inside the loop, making more spots be under contract for a single user, and then terminate bus routes at the streetcar.

Spend $0 on public parking garages and use existing parking outside of downtown. Instead of a $50 million parking garage, lay $50 million worth of track.

[normalthings]

KCATA will sell 3rd & Grand to 3G Development LLC, who will develop the site as mixed use including 10% affordable MF units.

The Multi-Family Component may consist of approximately 200 units and amenities. Units may include studio, one bedroom and two bedroom units apportioned as required to meet market rate demand and conditions. Amenities may include salon, club room, pool and fitness area. 0.95 parking spaces per unit. 4 parking spaces for KCATA Park and Ride.

The Multi-Modal Station will be an approximately 500 square foot transportation hub, public plaza and associated pedestrian connections that provides operator restrooms, an exchange and transfer point for the streetcar, buses, bikes and potential future commuter rail that may converge at the Project Property. The Developer will identify the Multi-Modal Station Property,
CORE/0832570.0071/160519672.4

KCBJ reports the project has grown:

3G Development is planning between 215 and 285 multifamily units

[GRID]

This is a nice project for sure. Hopefully it happens relatively quickly. I keep reading that it will include "four" park and ride spaces though. That doesn't even make sense. Four?

[Riverite]

KCATA will sell 3rd & Grand to 3G Development LLC, who will develop the site as mixed use including 10% affordable MF units.

The Multi-Family Component may consist of approximately 200 units and amenities. Units may include studio, one bedroom and two bedroom units apportioned as required to meet market rate demand and conditions. Amenities may include salon, club room, pool and fitness area. 0.95 parking spaces per unit. 4 parking spaces for KCATA Park and Ride.

The Multi-Modal Station will be an approximately 500 square foot transportation hub, public plaza and associated pedestrian connections that provides operator restrooms, an exchange and transfer point for the streetcar, buses, bikes and potential future commuter rail that may converge at the Project Property. The Developer will identify the Multi-Modal Station Property,
CORE/0832570.0071/160519672.4

KCBJ reports the project has grown:

3G Development is planning between 215 and 285 multifamily units

Is that the rendering, It doesn’t look like 3rd and grand or anywhere in Kansas city

[normalthings]

This is a nice project for sure. Hopefully it happens relatively quickly. I keep reading that it will include "four" park and ride spaces though. That doesn't even make sense. Four?

.95 spaces per unit + 4 park and ride.

[normalthings]

KCATA will sell 3rd & Grand to 3G Development LLC, who will develop the site as mixed use including 10% affordable MF units.

KCBJ reports the project has grown:

3G Development is planning between 215 and 285 multifamily units

Is that the rendering, It doesn’t look like 3rd and grand or anywhere in Kansas city

Feels looks like a TwinMotion (EPIC Games of Fortnite fame) rendering which has a feature that will add in a flat cityscape background.

[normalthings]

250 apartments, a two-level parking garage and a multimodal transit station. Unit mix on the Project will include predominantly micro- units with a compliment of one- and two-bedroom units. Amenities will include a salon, club room, pool and fitness area.

Parking will be provided at a 0.95 ratio to the final multifamily unit count, with four spaces reserved for KCATA park-and-ride users and the general public. The current property houses a 193-space surface lot that the city leases from KCATA which will be terminated.

KCATA will lease the multi-modal transportation hub from the 3G Development which will accommodate transit customers, including those using the streetcar, local MAX bus service and bike share stations as well as a potential commuter rail facility. KCATA also will support formation of a community improvement district with a 1% sales tax to help fund the project.

3G Development is targeting a construction start in the first half of 2021, with completion expected in Summer 2022.

https://cbcrealestategroup.com/wp-conte ... d.v2-1.pdf

[KCPowercat]

4 park and ride spaces? Why even bother?

[normalthings]

4 park and ride spaces? Why even bother?

It looks like the building will only cover half of the lot.

[smh]

Would love to hear why ATA plans to lease from the developer as opposed to the other way around. Ground lease doesn't make sense here? Other factors I don't understand?

[shinatoo]

Would love to hear why ATA plans to lease from the developer as opposed to the other way around. Ground lease doesn't make sense here? Other factors I don't understand?

I would assume it gives the developer a steady income source that will make th enumbers work for the development.

Just guessing.

[Riverite]

It feels like the city is bending over backwards for this developer, I could be wrong, but why don’t they have to replace the parking and ata has to lease?

[flyingember]

It feels like the city is bending over backwards for this developer, I could be wrong, but why don’t they have to replace the parking and ata has to lease?

The city isn't involved. The ATA is a state-level entity, it's not part of city government.