OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

[atticus23]

Is this the final product...?!?

[KCPowercat]

It's better than the Baltimore side sadly.

[atticus23]

Wow...that's just nasty...

[kboish]

Why is it so hard to make a parking garage look nice?

[SingleMalt12]

Is this the final product...?!?

My first reaction was......

You had one job

[DColeKC]

Wow...that's just nasty...

Agree. Terrible.

[DaveKCMO]

"Wait for the landscaping!"

[horizons82]

Why is it so hard to make a parking garage look nice?

Building code requirements coupled with high costs for air handling systems. Code stipulates a certain amount of fresh air moving through the garage at all times, ergo you're limited in how much you can cover up. Fire protection requirements can hinder the materials/assemblies you can use even further.

Unless the city is going to adopt (and people hold them to it) more stringent local codes for garage design, we all should expect a lot more of this as the core starts to infill.

[DColeKC]

What’s one good example of a nicely done parking garage in KC?

[KCPowercat]

The ones underground are perfect.

[flyingember]

What’s one good example of a nicely done parking garage in KC?

The two main garages used for Crown Center shopping

One on the Plaza you enter from Wornall north of 47th.

Union Station's main garage. It's largely out of sight from the main entrance.

[DColeKC]

The ones underground are perfect.

I almost said, besides being underground. I’d like to know the price difference between above and below ground parking garage construction. I’m sure it’s massive.

Not to mention, we would have several 15-16 floor buildings if it weren’t for parking garage pedestals.

[KCPowercat]

I'm not much of a size queen, I don't care if buildings are a little shorter if the ground level - level 5 is improved.

[kas1]

I’d like to know the price difference between above and below ground parking garage construction. I’m sure it’s massive.

Ballpark figures: $25,000 per space above ground and $50,000 below ground.

[flyingember]

The Kauffman Center garage was 47 million in 2007 which adjusted for inflation is $58 million today
It has 1000 spots
$58k per

Barney Allis Plaza is planned to be $408 spaces fopr $30 million.
That's $73.5k per

The failed city garage along Broadway was going to be 500 spaces for $21 million
https://cityscenekc.com/public-garage-p ... e-council/
For $42k per spot.

So a better estimate would be 40k above ground, 80k below ground.
I would guess 25/50k is 20 years ago.

[normalthings]

The southern facing facade has an image displayed on it this evening. I can’t tell if it’s just room lights or something more like the Marriott.

[DaveKCMO]

Yikes! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/busi ... d=tw-share

The problem is cropping up across the nation. Many cities fully or partly finance the construction and operation of convention hotels to compete for events, often by using bonds backed by the hotel’s income, as well as revenue from hospitality and tourism taxes. Noting the collapse in conferences and forecasting a U.S. recession, S&P Global Ratings recently warned that it could lower the ratings of bonds supporting existing convention hotels in Denver and Austin, Texas. It also downgraded the rating of bonds backing Baltimore’s convention hotel.

[kboish]

I thought KC was the only city that did this and all the other cities were just attractive cities to which developers flocked? &&&

[normalthings]

I wonder what the market would be in Kansas City for a mixed-use hotel with apartments that offered concierge services and things like room-service and housekeeping to apartment residents from the hotel? I know in some bigger cities there are people that live in hotels permanently for this reason.

^^^many years ago.

I remember we used to have discussions on the benefit of (then) KC Convention Hotel Developers adding residential floors to the structure to help stabilize revenues during down turns. I think what we are going through now helps underscore the benefit mixed uses has.

[TheLastGentleman]

Couldn't even screen the entire parking garage. Half assed through and through on this project.