Status and future of the River Market area??

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by GRID » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:59 pm

Old Town Alexandria is also anti development, hates bike lanes and scooters and loves to preserve parking. Just saying, times change. Old Town Alexandria is basically fighting with the new residents. People like local places, but there is not the hate toward chains that there was 15-20 years ago. Maybe people just gave up? I don't know. But there is a Starbucks every five feet in Manhattan now and nobody cares. Just walk by them and go to the local places. They co-exist.
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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by earthling » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:02 pm

Yeah agree it's not to the degree it used to be and there is some tolerance for certain chains that bring something to the table in such areas but if Dominos in RM leads to McDonalds in City Market, no biggy?

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by GRID » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:13 pm

If it's done right it's fine and they serve a purpose. Urban fast food places seem fine to me. Most of the time, the are small footprints, people walk to them, seating is often on a second level etc. They contribute to sidewalk activity too. I would bet that the river market is losing a lot of potential revenue to people getting in their cars and driving to NKC or something for some fast food. Sometimes people just want a Mcdonalds meal. I even saw a brand new Mcdonalds in a very "local" part of Zurich inside a parking garage, drive through and all. There was a full blown QT type convenience store and gas station "inside" the garage as well. Very clever. You barely knew it existed, yet it served a need and was actually quite nice. It was right across from an Aldi, which is also a chain. All on first floor of larger residential or office buildings.

Just don't do this and it's all good :) This is near my work. Not sure how McDonalds does this actually. The air rights above that free standing mcdonalds have to be worth a lot, but they somehow make it work with a single use one story fast food restaurant.
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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by earthling » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:15 pm

Or you place the fast food in the Loop and take streetcar. Is fine for neighborhoods to establish some boundaries.

By saying 'if done right' is a form of expressing taste and limits. It depends on what a neighborhood wants to be and where they establish such acceptable boundaries, like allowing hookah bars or vape shops or mega chains serving a pile of chemicals.

Is pretty common for "old towne" parts of cities to still establish such boundaries and RM fits that bill, especially if they lean more neighborhood than commercial districts, which RM has transitioned into. Was in Old City/Society Hill Philly last month, not a single chain restaurant - mostly in the CBD. No chains in Boston's North End either.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Ebenezers Brewery And Wine Bar - 311 Delaware on the liquor license report. Anybody?

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by FangKC » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:14 pm

Wasn't there an Ebenezer's on Delaware back in the River Quay days?

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Post by longviewmo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:35 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:54 pm
Ebenezers Brewery And Wine Bar - 311 Delaware on the liquor license report. Anybody?
There's a big stone between the second and third stories that says Ebenezer.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by FangKC » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:05 pm

I know the building was called that, but I meant wasn't there a nightclub named Ebenezer's in River Quay?

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Post by KCPowercat » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:45 pm

Nice find.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by FangKC » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:17 pm

I found a map of the River Quay with a place called Ebenezer's Saloon that was in that building.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... uaymap.png.
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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by grovester » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:53 am

You have an extra period at the end of your file name that breaks the link,

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by scooterj » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:36 am

"...Ebenezer's Brewery & Wine Bar will be opening late 2019..."

Given the bureaucratic and other delays that pretty much every other brewery has faced trying to open, "late 2019" translates to "sometime between April 2020 and never".

That said, if all goes well they should make a killing being the only brewery directly on the streetcar line.

Edit: I just noticed they created their social media accounts back in January and have never posted anything on any of them. I'm now leaning more toward the "never" end of the time scale. :(
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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by earthling » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 am

Will be nice to get action on the E side of DE street if that is where it's going. The Denver developer (who is on this site) knows what he is doing and wish he could be involved in other projects. Or be on the board of some kind of downtown development steering/planning committee.

Delaware St should be a model for downtown pedestrian friendly development.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by Rabble » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:56 pm

I had a beer or two at Ebenezer's sometime in the early 1980's. The place had very few customers but was comfortable. All the other storefronts on Delaware were closed and boarded up. I had been to the River Quay as a teenager in the mid 70's and thought this is somewhere I'm coming back to when I'm 21. But only Ebenezer's survived and then it too was boarded up the next time I went back.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by normalthings » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:54 pm

An ordinance was introduced by Councilman Bunch for:

Construction of these improvements at the City Market would open and improve Walnut from 3rd to 5th Streets, to:
  • Increase two-way access and parking for weekday shoppers,
  • Restore circulation and connectivity for the River Market neighborhood,
  • Eliminate current traffic problems,
  • Give greater exposure to the eastern market building’s tenants,
  • Provide a better space for Market events.
The Market Square would continue to be closed to automobile and truck traffic on weekends.
The total project amount is $2,427,058. Funding for debt service for bonds sold will be paid from annual rents received by the City from the Port Authority for riverfront property.

http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/LiveWeb/Docum ... cpvNDBbXaZ

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:50 pm

This was news to me:
On May 14, 1993, the City and the Port Authority of
Kansas City, Missouri, entered into the Kansas City
Riverfront Lease Agreement (approved by Committee
Substitute for Ordinance No. 930083), pursuant to
which the City leased certain riverfront property to the
Port Authority, and under which the City receives an
annual share of rent paid by a casino tenant, which
may only be spent on development in the River
Market or Columbus Park neighborhoods.

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by langosta » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:14 pm

normalthings wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:54 pm
An ordinance was introduced by Councilman Bunch for:

Construction of these improvements at the City Market would open and improve Walnut from 3rd to 5th Streets, to:
  • Increase two-way access and parking for weekday shoppers,
  • Restore circulation and connectivity for the River Market neighborhood,
  • Eliminate current traffic problems,
  • Give greater exposure to the eastern market building’s tenants,
  • Provide a better space for Market events.
The Market Square would continue to be closed to automobile and truck traffic on weekends.
The total project amount is $2,427,058. Funding for debt service for bonds sold will be paid from annual rents received by the City from the Port Authority for riverfront property.

http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/LiveWeb/Docum ... cpvNDBbXaZ
Are there any plans to renovate the year-round retail buildings/stalls and the dilapidated and pigeon filled overhangs?

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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??

Post by TheLastGentleman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:23 pm

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