Restoration of City Control Over KCPD

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TheSmokinPun wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:10 pm Doing this while trying to go after him legally can't help their case, haha. What a joke this state is.
It won't make a difference, they're different statutes. The lawsuit has no (legal) connection to political actions taken by the department.
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flyingember wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:19 am Not true.

The force isn't allowed to use officially owned equipment to promote political positions through the posting of stickers/signs on said equipment.

Nothing in that law has been updated to disallow using social media for the same
Would showing up to the rally in squad cars and in uniform be considered “officially owned equipment”?
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beautyfromashes wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:24 pm
flyingember wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:19 am Not true.

The force isn't allowed to use officially owned equipment to promote political positions through the posting of stickers/signs on said equipment.

Nothing in that law has been updated to disallow using social media for the same
Would showing up to the rally in squad cars and in uniform be considered “officially owned equipment”?
It's not disallowed in any form

These are the three relevant parts of statues and none of them relate to what's happened

rsmo 84.830

No officer, agent, or employee of the police department of such cities shall permit any solicitation for political purpose in any building or room occupied for the discharge of the official duties of the said department.
...

No officer or employee in the service of said department or member of the police board shall use his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with any election or any nomination for office, or affecting the result thereof. No officer or employee of such department shall solicit any person to vote for or against any candidate for public office, or poll precincts or be connected with other political work of similar character on behalf of any political organization, party, or candidate while on duty or while wearing the official uniform of the department. All such persons shall, however, retain the right to vote as they may choose and to express their opinions on all political subjects and candidates.
...

3. No person or officer or employee of said department shall affix any sign, bumper sticker or other device to any property or vehicle under the control of said department which either supports or opposes any ballot measure or political candidate.
It's all about blocking a Pendergast style machine which the police dept runs. This part of code has a history back to 1939
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You don’t think showing up in a seemingly official capacity in taxpayer paid car and uniform is not solicitation or promotion of a political action, repealing the mayor?
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flyingember wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:30 pm
beautyfromashes wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:24 pm
flyingember wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:19 am Not true.

The force isn't allowed to use officially owned equipment to promote political positions through the posting of stickers/signs on said equipment.

Nothing in that law has been updated to disallow using social media for the same
Would showing up to the rally in squad cars and in uniform be considered “officially owned equipment”?
It's not disallowed in any form

These are the three relevant parts of statues and none of them relate to what's happened

rsmo 84.830

No officer, agent, or employee of the police department of such cities shall permit any solicitation for political purpose in any building or room occupied for the discharge of the official duties of the said department.
...

No officer or employee in the service of said department or member of the police board shall use his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with any election or any nomination for office, or affecting the result thereof. No officer or employee of such department shall solicit any person to vote for or against any candidate for public office, or poll precincts or be connected with other political work of similar character on behalf of any political organization, party, or candidate while on duty or while wearing the official uniform of the department. All such persons shall, however, retain the right to vote as they may choose and to express their opinions on all political subjects and candidates.
...

3. No person or officer or employee of said department shall affix any sign, bumper sticker or other device to any property or vehicle under the control of said department which either supports or opposes any ballot measure or political candidate.
It's all about blocking a Pendergast style machine which the police dept runs. This part of code has a history back to 1939
It says it right there.

And KCPD's code of conduct says it more clearly. Go to page 9.
Members will not:
a. Permit any solicitation for political purpose in any building, room, or property utilized for the discharge of the official duties
of the Department. RSMo. 84.830.1

b. Promote, remove, or reduce any other official or member, or promise or threaten to do so, for withholding or refusing to make
any contribution for any political party or purpose or club, or for refusal to render any political service. RSMo. 84.830.2

c. Directly or indirectly attempt to coerce, command, or advise any other member to make any contribution or render any such
service as stated in the preceding section. RSMo. 84.830.2

d. Use their official authority or influence to interfere with any election or any nomination for office, or do anything to affect the
result thereof, except to express their personal opinion and vote as they choose. RSMo. 84.830.2

e. While on-duty or while wearing the Department’s uniform (any parts thereof, clothing, or other item containing a logo, mark,
patch, badge or insignia of the Department) solicit any person to vote for or against any candidate for public office, or poll
precinct, or be connected with other political work of similar character on behalf of any political organization, party, or
candidate.
RSMo. 84.830.2

f. Affix any sign, bumper sticker, or other device to any property or vehicle under the control of the Department which either supports or opposes any ballot measure or political candidate. RSMo. 84.830.3
It says any violation of this policy is grounds for termination.
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Yes, that's literally taken from state law, looks to be word for word without checking

Re-read what you bolded, it's not relevant.

Can you prove they solicited someone to vote against any candidate or do political work on behalf of a PAC, Party of Candidate?

That's about elections, not lawsuits.
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The Nextdoor post by a KCPD CIO referenced earlier was about a rally organized by a political group to "push for the recall of Lucas". In other words, they are collecting signatures to force an election to remove Lucas.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/protesters ... /36605409#

So the wearing of uniforms and promoting of events was not to a rally about a lawsuit. It was to a political event to force an election
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So file a lawsuit. Unless you want to take action it's all words on paper.
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jfc.

Its not even on paper....

just sayin

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kboish wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:48 pm jfc.

Its not even on paper....

just sayin

I meant what you're saying. Put up or it's just complaining
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someone literally asked a question. You gave an answer. I gave an answer. What are you talking about
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kboish wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:07 pm someone literally asked a question. You gave an answer. I gave an answer. What are you talking about
Statistically there's at least a few methheads on the forum...
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im2kull wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:29 pm
kboish wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:07 pm someone literally asked a question. You gave an answer. I gave an answer. What are you talking about
Statistically there's at least a few methheads on the forum...
Statistically it shows someone knows they’re wrong when they make personal attacks
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I live in Historic Northeast. Tonight I found in my mailbox a flyer for an effort to recall Eric Bunch from the Council called Taking KC Back.

Anyone else getting this?

https://takekcback.com/
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Honestly surprised that they ventured south of the river to canvass.
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chaglang wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:34 pm Honestly surprised that they ventured south of the river to canvass.
Means they’re not making their numbers in the northland. I didn’t check the numbers but it would be hard to get a recall with ~20% of the council district as your starting point.
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Recall petitions for simple policy disagreements never succeed.
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They came back to my neighborhood yesterday. We got a second visit from someone with the group.
So they don't have enough signatures yet

If I'm reading code right, they need 20% of the mayoral election total from 2019 entirely inside the 4th. That's 13713 signatures and a huge percentage of the electorate lives inside buildings they can't enter.
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flyingember wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:15 am They came back to my neighborhood yesterday. We got a second visit from someone with the group.
So they don't have enough signatures yet

If I'm reading code right, they need 20% of the mayoral election total from 2019 entirely inside the 4th. That's 13713 signatures and a huge percentage of the electorate lives inside buildings they can't enter.
Ok, it’s about 3000 needed, it’s just the district vote counting.
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