2023 KCMO Election

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Agree on Kander. I have heard him speak and he was a good speaker. I have heard other things as well from Law school alums that some of his ancicodotes aren't exactly true or things that he heard/saw second hand but obviously would be hard/impossible to verify/fact check.

He seems happy at his current charity so that's good at least. QL has been fine as a mayor. It's a hard job, and I was never in favor of his anti-development tendancies. I thought Justus would have been a better mayor, but I would probably vote for QL again. I don't think anybody else would run that would beat him from the left or the northland "republican" votes.

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I think Lucas has been fine and would vote for him again. I think the protestors bitching about the police reform stuff are probably mostly completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, people who are completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists also get to vote, but hey, democracy.

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mean wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:28 pm
I think Lucas has been fine and would vote for him again. I think the protestors bitching about the police reform stuff are probably mostly completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, people who are completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists also get to vote, but hey, democracy.
100% agree. Great post.

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Purely out of curiosity, I'd love to see a republican mayor in KC. I know it's a long shot, but it's been 30 years since we've had a republican mayor (Berkley) and I'm curious how differently they'd run the city.

Honestly, if there's ever a time, 2023 may be it.

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DColeKC wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:26 pm
Purely out of curiosity, I'd love to see a republican mayor in KC. I know it's a long shot, but it's been 30 years since we've had a republican mayor (Berkley) and I'm curious how differently they'd run the city.

Honestly, if there's ever a time, 2023 may be it.
I would be real cool with seeing a Republican prosecutor. JPB is a disaster its laughable that she won reelection.

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mean wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:28 pm
I think Lucas has been fine and would vote for him again. I think the protestors bitching about the police reform stuff are probably mostly completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, people who are completely misinformed and/or conspiracy theorists also get to vote, but hey, democracy.
They're edge cases who are being mislead by people more interested in power than doing the right thing

Look at how the governor just signed a law to defund the police if they enforce certain laws. Their only job is to enforce the legal laws in this country without question.

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DColeKC wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:26 pm
Purely out of curiosity, I'd love to see a republican mayor in KC. I know it's a long shot, but it's been 30 years since we've had a republican mayor (Berkley) and I'm curious how differently they'd run the city.

Honestly, if there's ever a time, 2023 may be it.
Funk made sure nothing like that will happen again.

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TheSmokinPun wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:37 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:26 pm
Purely out of curiosity, I'd love to see a republican mayor in KC. I know it's a long shot, but it's been 30 years since we've had a republican mayor (Berkley) and I'm curious how differently they'd run the city.

Honestly, if there's ever a time, 2023 may be it.
Funk made sure nothing like that will happen again.
Funk was a Republican?!

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Republican or Democrat shouldn't really matter in a local election. Those parties (or one in particular) are too focused on cultural issues. Local government should be more focused on providing services for city residents. Municipal elections also don't really require large party appartus support to raise money.

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alejandro46 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:36 pm
Republican or Democrat shouldn't really matter in a local election. Those parties (or one in particular) are too focused on cultural issues. Local government should be more focused on providing services for city residents. Municipal elections also don't really require large party appartus support to raise money.
Kind of why I'd like to see a Republican mayor. Curious to see how differently they'd govern versus a democrat. Especially in today's climate of law and order Vs Defund (reallocate dollars) the police. I feel a republican would take a harder, more direct approach on fighting crime vs what's currently being attempted. Crime should be one of our highest priorities considering while this is a great small market type city to live and work in, our crime/murder rate is out of control.

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I guess it depends on what constitutes your definition of "fighting crime". It sometimes seems this means pulling over poor and/or minority people for the most trivial of infractions and then burdening them with unreasonable fines and fees they can't afford to pay, which, whether that was the intent or not, only further screws them out of any opportunity--or just, you know, shooting them, which obviously also screws them out of opportunity but even more directly.

I'm curious as to what, specifically, you would suggest as a remedy for the crime/murder rate issue. I'm happy to admit that beyond attempting to heal the wounds between poor/minority communities and police, I have no idea what to do, except that I strongly suspect giving cops increasingly militarized hardware and instructing them to be even more repressive is not the right answer. Unfortunately, having a strong feeling about the wrong answer doesn't seem to shed light on what the right answer might be.

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beautyfromashes wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:31 pm
TheSmokinPun wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:37 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:26 pm
Purely out of curiosity, I'd love to see a republican mayor in KC. I know it's a long shot, but it's been 30 years since we've had a republican mayor (Berkley) and I'm curious how differently they'd run the city.

Honestly, if there's ever a time, 2023 may be it.
Funk made sure nothing like that will happen again.
Funk was a Republican?!
No he wasnt.

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Fighting crime starts with educuation. Students going to underperforming schools, Students with unstable family situations that move a lot or have one parent often who works multiple jobs.

Guliani era COPS style policing really doesn't work. We need to improve educuation, connectivity, and the built environment throughout the east side most importantly without pricing out the existing residents. If you think the police "prevent" crime, I think you may be somewhat misguided. Sure a traffic stop here or there, but most policing is responsive - responding to break ins may stop it, but the person still decided to commit the action and take the risk no matter how well a police force is funded.

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mean wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:55 pm
I guess it depends on what constitutes your definition of "fighting crime". It sometimes seems this means pulling over poor and/or minority people for the most trivial of infractions and then burdening them with unreasonable fines and fees they can't afford to pay, which, whether that was the intent or not, only further screws them out of any opportunity--or just, you know, shooting them, which obviously also screws them out of opportunity but even more directly.

I'm curious as to what, specifically, you would suggest as a remedy for the crime/murder rate issue. I'm happy to admit that beyond attempting to heal the wounds between poor/minority communities and police, I have no idea what to do, except that I strongly suspect giving cops increasingly militarized hardware and instructing them to be even more repressive is not the right answer. Unfortunately, having a strong feeling about the wrong answer doesn't seem to shed light on what the right answer might be.
Well one idea is being honest and upfront about the issues. Starting with the fact that unarmed black people being shot by the police isn’t a large scale problem as many people would like us to believe. It exists but the statistics show it’s not an epidemic. Studies also show police are more hesitant to shoot a minority than a white person. So I’d start there with some hard honest truth. That’s one way to start repairing the historically damaged relationship between police and poor inner city communities. A Democratic mayor is going to always pander to the minority vote and won’t step up and be transparent about the reality of the situation. If the current Mayor said something along the lines of “we can add all the police we want and take all the guns away, but until the black communities come together and fix these issues from within and refocus on family, it will never be fixed”, he would be called an Uncle Tom.

I don’t have answers to the crime issue but I feel Democrats skirt around addressing the core of the issue. We have spent trillions trying to make up for this countries nasty past and it hasn’t worked. It’s actually worse in many ways. The long term fix is better access to good education, better access to SBA loans and changing the “I didn’t see anything” mentality of witnessing crime.

We also did see the positive impact of more policing when the feds came to town.

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Forgot to mention. Polls show most people in these poor minority communities do in fact want more police presence, not less.

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DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:17 am
If the current Mayor said something along the lines of “we can add all the police we want and take all the guns away, but until the black communities come together and fix these issues from within and refocus on family, it will never be fixed”, he would be called an Uncle Tom.
Every mayor, Democrat and Republican, stretching back to at least Ilus Davis has said something like this. For years it was almost the only thing said about crime.

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chaglang wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:27 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:17 am
If the current Mayor said something along the lines of “we can add all the police we want and take all the guns away, but until the black communities come together and fix these issues from within and refocus on family, it will never be fixed”, he would be called an Uncle Tom.
Every mayor, Democrat and Republican, stretching back to at least Ilus Davis has said something like this. For years it was almost the only thing said about crime.
Really? I haven't paid close attention but I've never read about Sly, Quinton or any Mayor over the last 15 years saying something like this. Sly could have said it and not been called Uncle Tom, but in today's climate, I feel Lucas would take hits for saying it.

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chaglang wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:27 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:17 am
If the current Mayor said something along the lines of “we can add all the police we want and take all the guns away, but until the black communities come together and fix these issues from within and refocus on family, it will never be fixed”, he would be called an Uncle Tom.
Every mayor, Democrat and Republican, stretching back to at least Ilus Davis has said something like this. For years it was almost the only thing said about crime.
I think DColeKC is absolutely right, no mayor has ever spouted that racist bs that I can remember.

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beautyfromashes wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:54 pm
chaglang wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:27 pm
DColeKC wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:17 am
If the current Mayor said something along the lines of “we can add all the police we want and take all the guns away, but until the black communities come together and fix these issues from within and refocus on family, it will never be fixed”, he would be called an Uncle Tom.
Every mayor, Democrat and Republican, stretching back to at least Ilus Davis has said something like this. For years it was almost the only thing said about crime.
I think DColeKC is absolutely right, no mayor has ever spouted that racist bs that I can remember.
If you think the current status of the black nuclear family doesn't play into the crime issues, you're flat out wrong. What's racist about having honest conversations in order to make lives better?

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