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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by WoodDraw » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:08 am

I I think it might become more important once it expands. Trying to build in behavior early.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by grovester » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:29 am

beautyfromashes wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:14 am
grovester wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:19 pm
Official policy has always been to only stop when requested if there is no one waiting at the stop.
I know, but it’s actualky never happened when I’ve been on the streetcar. Always every stop.
The first time I took my folks on the streetcar, it zipped right past the stop in front of Anton's. I was like, WTF?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by scooterj » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:22 am

I've noticed that the "To request a stop..." recording always seems to play when it's approaching the 7th Street stop, but I rarely hear it when approaching any of the others. Is it by design that it plays for stops that are less likely to have people waiting, or does it play if a stop is approaching and no one has requested it yet? Or is it just a case of selective hearing and/or coincidence?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:40 am

Not sure good look when the buses can start sooner than the streetcar in bad weather.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:39 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:40 am
Not sure good look when the buses can start sooner than the streetcar in bad weather.
Ask me offline about the city's snow plowing performance on the alignment...

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:47 pm

That was very noticeable today

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by kboish » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:57 am

It was abysmal

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by FangKC » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:27 pm

A U.S. Transit Atlas That Ranks the Best (and Worst) Cities for Bus and Rail

Go to bottom of list (streetcar).

https://tinyurl.com/y8qvuran

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by shinatoo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:34 am

Wow, I'm shocked at how high our numbers are. Right up there with Las Vagas Monorail and ahead of many cities much larger than ours.
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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Critical_Mass » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am

shinatoo wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:34 am
Wow, I'm shocked at how high our numbers are. Right up there with Las Vagas Monorail and ahead of many cities much larger than ours.
Note: it is ridership per mile, not total ridership.
Still very impressive compared to the other streetcars.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by shinatoo » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:26 am

Critical_Mass wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
shinatoo wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:34 am
Wow, I'm shocked at how high our numbers are. Right up there with Las Vagas Monorail and ahead of many cities much larger than ours.
Note: it is ridership per mile, not total ridership.
Still very impressive compared to the other streetcars.
Ah, well that's different.
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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:10 pm

So I was searching for something else and of course got a streetcar result

http://kcmo.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013 ... graphs.pdf

This is good to bring forward since it helps show when lots cleared downtown and can see the down and up of downtown.

That lot directly north of 3rd/Grand looks like it’s been that way for more than 60 years. That shows just how much impact the train has had downtown. A baby boomer has only known an empty lot on that corner in their life.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by TheLastGentleman » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:28 pm

Bring back the junction!

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:00 pm

So much destruction. Mostly for parking. Very few new buildings after the 40s.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:16 am

This is in no way poking fun at other streetcar lines but highlights to me how extremely successful our line is ...we would have been pretty excited about the numbers they are showing (they we're close to our estimates) yet our numbers continue to be to double the estimates ....pretty crazy.

2.3 mile ok line.

https://twitter.com/OKCStreetcar/status ... 16129?s=19

2 mile line in Milwaukee

https://twitter.com/MBJretail/status/10 ... 38432?s=19

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by grovester » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:03 am

If they don't figure out a way to stay free permanently, they're in trouble.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:25 am

OKC's "4.6 mile" line is actually about half that distance. They, like Cincinnati and Atlanta, are counting the track length since these systems operate as a loop using different streets in each direction. The longest distance you can travel on the OKC streetcar in one direction is just under 2 miles (East Bricktown or Scissortail Park to Dewey Avenue using the Downtown Loop).

Kansas City counts the linear distance (2.2 miles) since our route is linear and mostly on the same street.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:31 am

Good info...didn't realize that. Updated my post for that and saying we are doubling estimates vs original post said triple

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:37 am

And not that ridership is the only measure of any streetcar system success....

Seems to show our demand was there and these other two were reaching a bit? Again if development follows, it's totally worth it for them.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Critical_Mass » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:49 am

I don't know why, after seeing KC's ridership numbers, these lastest streetcar operations aren't going with a linear route. I could study that OKC transit map for five minutes and still not be able to describe to someone where it goes. It doesn't look like it will go anywhere fast with all those turns. It's a tangled bird's nest!

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