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StL_Dan wrote: What makes you think the children of Olathe are not exposed to "culture" wherever it may be found in the great bi-state region of Kansas City??
Um, no for the most part the children of all the suburbs are not exposed to much outside of soccer and chuck cheeses.

I take my children everywhere all the time. Even though I live in BS, my five year old can recognize and name things like City Market, Union Station, Base Ball Museum, Nelson, Plaza, Crown Center etc etc. He will brag that he can bike from Waldo to the Plaza. But take him to Target and he doesn't know if he is in Lee's Summit or Shawnee. He also enjoys riding buses and trains, (mostly in other cities cause we have none) and doesn't freak when he sees other races and people speaking other languagues, (we have friend with chidren that react because they are never expoded to that).

We are absolutley in the minority. I always test people and ask what they do over the weekend etc, and I swear, we are some of the only suburban parents that take our kids out of the burbs so often.

Most suburbanites don't expose themelves to "culture", let alone there kids. They do teach there kids that the city is a bad and dangerous place though. They are missing out.
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KCgridlock wrote:Um, no for the most part the children of all the suburbs are not exposed to much outside of soccer and chuck cheeses
C'mon now, soccer is culture...it's WORLD CULTURE! Anyhow, these posts are crackin' me up! I have to agree with the Jayhawker from Lawrence and the Bushwacker from Liberty on this issue...Olathe kids lack a ton of culture unless we're talkin' about Studio 30, Nascart Go-Carts, and Orlando's Night Club.

Back to the casino issue! KC currently has three casinos (not 4) and I don't think adding slots at Woodlands and building a nice Kickapoo/Sac & Fox Casino near the speedway is gonna hurt area attractions. I absolutely love to gamble, however, I'm arrogant enough to claim I've been to more Kansas City area museums, galleries and attractions than anyone on this post. While it's true that a casino in Western Wyandotte would attract the WYCO/JOCO casino goers and the high-rollers from Missouri who want to escape the stupid state enforced $500 loss limit...the main reason for this location is to attract all the NASCAR hillbillies that have been pouring their money into not-so-nearby Argosy Casino.
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OOPS!!! I keep forgettin' the trash hole, Isle of Capri since I never gamble there because my wife's friend works at that dump. I don't care much for Argosy either, however, they have the best buffet in terms of food quality (not quantity). I usually lose my money at Harrah's and Ameristar. For some reason I was thinkin' that Gridlock was sayin' 5 casinos (the former Sam's Town plague along the river). Argosy is undergoin' a nice face-lift which will include a hotel...Isle of Capri needs to add a hotel and maybe add an attraction, like a lil' flamingo/fish habitat in a glass dome on that small tract of land between the casino and the river.
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QueSi2Opie wrote:OOPS!!! I keep forgettin' the trash hole, Isle of Capri since I never gamble there because my wife's friend works at that dump. I don't care much for Argosy either, however, they have the best buffet in terms of food quality (not quantity). I usually lose my money at Harrah's and Ameristar. For some reason I was thinkin' that Gridlock was sayin' 5 casinos (the former Sam's Town plague along the river). Argosy is undergoin' a nice face-lift which will include a hotel...Isle of Capri needs to add a hotel and maybe add an attraction, like a lil' flamingo/fish habitat in a glass dome on that small tract of land between the casino and the river.
Kansas City needs another casino like it needs another suburban convention center or suburban minor league ballpark...olathe...
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KCgridlock wrote:Kansas City needs another casino like it needs another suburban convention center or suburban minor league ballpark...olathe...
I still have to disagree about the casinos takin' away from KC's other attractions. If anything, the Chiefs take away from other local attractions because the only thing people talk about in this town is football! The only time people in Olathe (for example :wink: ) are from Kansas City is durin' the NFL season. Personally I can't stand the Chiefs (blame the fans)...I support the Wizards, my wife supports the Royals.
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KCgridlock wrote:Kansas City needs another casino like it needs another suburban convention center or suburban minor league ballpark...olathe...
I still have to disagree about the casinos takin' away from KC's other attractions. If anything, the Chiefs take away from other local attractions because the only thing people talk about in this town is football! The only time people in Olathe (for example :wink: ) are from Kansas City is durin' the NFL season. Personally I can't stand the Chiefs (blame the fans)...I support the Wizards, my wife supports the Royals.
More people attend the casinos in one month than did the Chiefs in four sell out years with an average loss of 60 bucks per person. Would you talk about it?
I think Blockbuster and Target have everybody the casinos don't. Cause attendence is way down at nearly every KC attraction and the Chiefs are next. Speaking of Wizards, I'm pretty excited about this year. Just wish somebody would step up and build a soccer stadium KS or MO. Omaha did for crying out loud.
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KCgridlock wrote:More people attend the casinos in one month than did the Chiefs in four sell out years with an average loss of 60 bucks per person. Would you talk about it?
I think Blockbuster and Target have everybody the casinos don't. Cause attendence is way down at nearly every KC attraction and the Chiefs are next. Speaking of Wizards, I'm pretty excited about this year. Just wish somebody would step up and build a soccer stadium KS or MO. Omaha did for crying out loud.
What can I say, the casino season runs longer 8) KC's other big attractions are restaurants and movie theaters. Try seein' a movie at Studio 30 or Town Center on a weekend...it's ridiculous! Like I said earlier, I go to the casinos nearly once a week and have visited almost every single attraction (historic, museum, gallery, state park, etc.) from and between St. Joseph to Branson, St. Louis to Garden City.
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Oh yeah, even Des Moines built a nice soccer stadium for the Des Moines Menace...a USISL team (Semi-Pro/3rd Division).
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trailerkid wrote:I would "do my homework" to explore, but Olathe hurts my eyes. And as for the children of sacred Olathe, ask some of them outside the Studio 30 what the Nelson is.
Typical. :roll:

Please...tell me....what exactly would the children of Olathe (that you've never talked to since you never come to Olathe to talk to them cuz it hurts your eyes) say in response to a question about Nelson Art Museum?

Please...tell me....my ears are itchin'. I'm eager to know what information your firsthand discussions with Olathe's youth have provided.
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KCgridlock wrote:
QueSi2Opie wrote:OOPS!!! I keep forgettin' the trash hole, Isle of Capri since I never gamble there because my wife's friend works at that dump. I don't care much for Argosy either, however, they have the best buffet in terms of food quality (not quantity). I usually lose my money at Harrah's and Ameristar. For some reason I was thinkin' that Gridlock was sayin' 5 casinos (the former Sam's Town plague along the river). Argosy is undergoin' a nice face-lift which will include a hotel...Isle of Capri needs to add a hotel and maybe add an attraction, like a lil' flamingo/fish habitat in a glass dome on that small tract of land between the casino and the river.
Kansas City needs another casino like it needs another suburban convention center or suburban minor league ballpark...olathe...
Thank the Lord we'll never see an exploitative casino in Olathe.....nor a strip joint.....KCMO.
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StL_Dan wrote:Thank the Lord we'll never see an exploitative casino in Olathe.....nor a strip joint.....KCMO.
No one forces the hand to pull the trigger. If you don't like'em, don't go to'em. A nice casino resort and a respectful gentlemen's club provide entertainment for some as long as they don't push it in your face. The "Lord" gave us all the CHOICE to make our own desicions. For the most part, I don't hurt anyone and don't lie...I think I'll make it in Allah's paradise.
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QueSi2Opie wrote:No one forces the hand to pull the trigger. If you don't like'em, don't go to'em.
I agree....and I don't....but am still thrilled that none of those establishments exist in Olathe.
QueSi2Opie wrote:A nice casino resort and a respectful gentlemen's club provide entertainment for some as long as they don't push it in your face.
Exploitation and pornography are "respectful"???

I don't buy that logic at all.
QueSi2Opie wrote:The "Lord" gave us all the CHOICE to make our own desicions. For the most part, I don't hurt anyone and don't lie...I think I'll make it in Allah's paradise.
I wasn't referring to "Allah".....but an interesting statement nonetheless.
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Dan... I want you to ask a kid outside the Studio 30 what the Nelson is. I'm asking you to do it cause you live there. I'm just looking to see if Olathe kids know what the Nelson is.

BTW, I know a college girl born in Olathe who's only been to the Plaza once...LOL!!!!!!!!!
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trailerkid wrote:Dan... I want you to ask a kid outside the Studio 30 what the Nelson is. I'm asking you to do it cause you live there. I'm just looking to see if Olathe kids know what the Nelson is.

BTW, I know a college girl born in Olathe who's only been to the Plaza once...LOL!!!!!!!!!
I know a person from downtown KC that has never been north of the Paseo Bridge or further south than 39th street.

I know a person that lives in Independence that has never been to Olathe.

I know a person from Olathe that has complete the Centurians program offered by KCMO.

I also know a person from Lawrence that has never been to Olathe cuz it hurts his eyes, but somehow knows what the youth hanging out outside of the AMC 30 in Olathe would say in response to a question about the location of the Nelson in a city he is not from.

This is RIDICULOUS.
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I dare you to go the AMC and ask....do it. I'd pay for a video of the kids' faces when you ask them. Also, your signiture is really annoying.
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trailerkid wrote:Dan... I want you to ask a kid outside the Studio 30 what the Nelson is. I'm asking you to do it cause you live there. I'm just looking to see if Olathe kids know what the Nelson is.

BTW, I know a college girl born in Olathe who's only been to the Plaza once...LOL!!!!!!!!!
BTW....I know several college students that currently spend many many many unselfish hours of their time in between studies, classes and socializing serving food, praying with and giving encouragement to those who depend on the KC Rescue Mission for their next hot meal and place to sleep.

I'm fairly certain they know exactly where the real need in downtown KC reside. And, they know how to navigate all the way from the doldrums of Olathe to the bright city lights of Cherry Street off Truman to KCRM.

Point is, there are so many opportunities awaiting Olathe, BS, Lenexa, Grandview, Parkville, Bonner Spgs, etc youths that these youths are actually taking advantage of, it's remarkable. However, you won't know who they are unless you TALK to the PERSONALLY or hang out in places where these credible youth can be found.

The AMC 30 is not a bad place in and of itsself, but to be certain, it isn't a bastion of enlightened, motivated youth on a Tuesday night.

Try talking with youth at area churches, schools, colleges, youth centers and the like.....if you dare venture into the wild, garrish domain of the dreaded Olathe city limits.

I like you, trailerkid. You've obviously got a heart and passion for what you believe in the most. I only suggest you open your mind to the possibility that a random sampling of one derelict youth outside a movie theater is absolutely NOT the litmus test to be used as the validation for your argument.

Likewise, I know some, but clearly not ALL of what I could or should about what you are interested in....so I will stay tuned to your ongoing commentary and weed out the emotion and watch for level headed morsels of dialogue that will help me better understand whatever point you may be trying to establish about Lawrence, KCMO or the MO burbs.

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StL_Dan wrote:Exploitation and pornography are "respectful"???

I don't buy that logic at all.
Please tell me who the casinos "exploit"? They only take advantage of those fools that have no self-control and spend their life savings like mindless idiots! As far as I'm concerned, all the fastfood joints in Olathe exploit obese fat asses! It's Saturday night, my wife and I are lookin' to spend our entertainment dollars. We say,"okay, do we spend $45 on a nice dinner at Gambucci's, $20 for a movie at Studio 30 (price includes small popcorn and a drink), and afterwards go to Mulligan's Bar & Grill to spend another $25 on alcoholic beverages for two (that's being cheap too)." It's easy to spend $90 for a night out in Olathe. Or we say,"Let's go to the casino and spend $40 a piece on gambling and spend $5 a piece for dinner at the deli or use our casino card points to get a free buffet dinner." Either way, that's $90...and that doesn't even include the 25% chance I have of breaking even or coming out ahead after gambling. Not to mention, I just contributed to the $300 million collected annually by the state of Missouri (soon to be Kansas too) from casinos which is used for schools, roads, etc. If anyone is exploiting us, it's the oil companies!

As far as gentlemen's clubs being "pornography." If that's your God-fearing conservative perception of nude dance facilities, so be it. Make sure you cover your eyes when you travel abroad because nudity is quite common on the beaches of Europe and South America as well as on the modeling stages across the civilized world. Unless we believe in Adam & Eve, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, we better cover our private parts, ey? Why don't we have our women cover their faces with veils too. We all know the Middle East is quite conservative, very religious and full of violence. Kinda like American prime-time television? Why don't we let Iraq invade us instead...we can have our perfect conservative society! Think about it, our society isn't too far off from them now. Soon the Europeans will be the only advanced liberal society. All I'm sayin' is nudity is what you make of it. I enjoy lookin' at the woman's naked body because it's both beautiful and stimulating...like art. The dancing part jus' adds to the atmosphere. Seriously though, if we didn't embrace censorship so much, nudity wouldn't be advertised on a billboard as a raunchy trucker's erotic pit stop! Instead, it would be advertised as art in modeling and beauty...the neck, the legs, the breasts, etc. Jahovah created them all...it's humankind that oppress, hide the body, develop the idea that sex is bad, create sexual deviance and cause society to produce these wacked out rapers and child molestors.
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Actually I volunteer somewhere too, I feel so special.

You're reading too much into this dialogue. You like Olathe and I like to live in an area that has zoning ordinances.
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trailerkid wrote:Actually I volunteer somewhere too, I feel so special.

You're reading too much into this dialogue. You like Olathe and I like to live in an area that has zoning ordinances.
Actually, I'm inferring quite easily what you and I are all about regarding this subject.

It goes like this:

Dan is a proud Olathean that recognizes the wealth of tradition, history and potential that exists in KC and other sorrounding burbs on both sides of the state line.

trailerkid lives in Lawrence, loves KCMO and hates a place he's never seen and the leadership of the place he's never seen or spoken with - Olathe. His characterizations of Olathe and it's residents are based on his assumptions rather than experience since he can't stand to look upon her streets, houses, businesses or citizens having never been there or having plans to ever there....well, that is, except for the cultural magnet that is the AMC 30 at 119th that takes away from his time at the Nelson.
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QueSi2Opie wrote:
StL_Dan wrote:Exploitation and pornography are "respectful"???

I don't buy that logic at all.
QueSi2Opie wrote:Please tell me who the casinos "exploit"?
Elderly
Welfare recipients
Deadbeats
Children's college funds
Savings accounts

QueSi2Opie wrote:As far as gentlemen's clubs being "pornography." If that's your God-fearing conservative perception of nude dance facilities, so be it.
QueSi2Opie wrote:Make sure you cover your eyes when you travel abroad because nudity is quite common on the beaches of Europe and South America as well as on the modeling stages across the civilized world.
I'm not naive, Q, but am not OVERLY concerned about what's overseas right now since I'm fairly certain my children will not be exposed to such delights growing up in Olathe. Another good reason to live here.
QueSi2Opie wrote:Why don't we have our women cover their faces with veils too.


That is a ridiculous statement. Faces aren't sex organs.
QueSi2Opie wrote:We all know the Middle East is quite conservative, very religious and full of violence. Kinda like American prime-time television?
I agree.
QueSi2Opie wrote:Why don't we let Iraq invade us instead...we can have our perfect conservative society! Think about it, our society isn't too far off from them now.
I disagree.
QueSi2Opie wrote:I enjoy lookin' at the woman's naked body because it's both beautiful and stimulating...like art.
Wouldn't your wife prefer her body to be recipient of the honor of being the sole object of your desire?
QueSi2Opie wrote:Jahovah created them all...it's humankind that oppress, hide the body, develop the idea that sex is bad, create sexual deviance and cause society to produce these wacked out rapers and child molestors.
Whoooooaaaa. Sex isn't bad. God created it as a way for man and wife to become closer to each other, to become one flesh, than they would with any other person on this earth. Sex is a BEAUTIFUL thing when used properly. Wouldn't you agree?
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