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Do you guys use it for flights too?
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random night pic of the north dock through my windshield
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This is an extremely poor example of integrating art and architecture. It is clear that neither the artist or the architect have any understanding of art or architecture as they have completely disregarded the core design principals of the existing building. I hope that we will no longer allow such trite examples projects being given to people who don't deserve or are capable of contributing positively to our built environment.
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Congrats on the first post. While it may not be the best form of art, there is only so much you can do to "beautify" the side of a massive structure like that. I'd take it over a blank wall any day. What would you have done...a mural??nemesis wrote: This is an extremely poor example of integrating art and architecture. It is clear that neither the artist or the architect have any understanding of art or architecture as they have completely disregarded the core design principals of the existing building. I hope that we will no longer allow such trite examples projects being given to people who don't deserve or are capable of contributing positively to our built environment.
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I like it too. Remember, it's a loading dock. It's not the Guggenheimnemesis wrote: This is an extremely poor example of integrating art and architecture. It is clear that neither the artist or the architect have any understanding of art or architecture as they have completely disregarded the core design principals of the existing building. I hope that we will no longer allow such trite examples projects being given to people who don't deserve or are capable of contributing positively to our built environment.
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Well put.KC-wildcat wrote: I like it too. Remember, it's a loading dock. It's not the Guggenheim
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Well, I guess you made my point for me. And you wonder why we will always be a second rate city? "Hey, it's better than a loading dock, so it must be good"....................
Just because there is an artist involved, doesn't make it "art"
Just because it was really bad before doesn't make it "good"
It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. I'm just saying there are far better artists and architects out there that would came up with a much better solution. But until expectations like yours are changed, this is what we'll continue to see.
Just because there is an artist involved, doesn't make it "art"
Just because it was really bad before doesn't make it "good"
It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. I'm just saying there are far better artists and architects out there that would came up with a much better solution. But until expectations like yours are changed, this is what we'll continue to see.
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So what do you want buddy? Art can only be 2% of a buildings budget. You want us to plant some palm trees? Get a grip...this is KC...if you want art goto the Nelson.nemesis wrote: Well, I guess you made my point for me. And you wonder why we will always be a second rate city? "Hey, it's better than a loading dock, so it must be good"....................
Just because there is an artist involved, doesn't make it "art"
Just because it was really bad before doesn't make it "good"
It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. I'm just saying there are far better artists and architects out there that would came up with a much better solution. But until expectations like yours are changed, this is what we'll continue to see.
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1%
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Damnit!aknowledgeableperson wrote: 1%
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that makes no sense.im2kull wrote: So what do you want buddy? Art can only be 2% of a buildings budget. You want us to plant some palm trees? Get a grip...this is KC...if you want art goto the Nelson.
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I'm just saying that you should pick your battles.nemesis wrote: Well, I guess you made my point for me. And you wonder why we will always be a second rate city? "Hey, it's better than a loading dock, so it must be good"....................
Just because there is an artist involved, doesn't make it "art"
Just because it was really bad before doesn't make it "good"
It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. I'm just saying there are far better artists and architects out there that would came up with a much better solution. But until expectations like yours are changed, this is what we'll continue to see.
I too believe that Kansas Citians are often guilty of the "it's better than _______, so it must be good" mentality. However, if you're going to make this point, give a better example than a loading dock.
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I think nemesis' original point was that he thought it didn't do a good job of integrating itself with the architecture. In other words he's criticizing the quality of the art feature, not the fact that there's an art feature on the loading dock.... at least if i'm understanding that correctly.
The other issue is why there's a loading dock facing 12th street in the first place, but we'd have to take that up with the original architects of convention center.
The other issue is why there's a loading dock facing 12th street in the first place, but we'd have to take that up with the original architects of convention center.
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I would have to say it is one of the nicest loading docks I have ever seen - by that measure, I suppose you have to consider it a success. About the only way to make it nicer would be to make it . . . not a loading dock at all.KC-wildcat wrote: However, if you're going to make this point, give a better example than a loading dock.
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The Municipal Arts Commission is the entity that chooses the artwork for the project so your gripe would be with that entity.nemesis wrote: It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. I'm just saying there are far better artists and architects out there that would came up with a much better solution. But until expectations like yours are changed, this is what we'll continue to see.
Of course, what is art to one person might be a pile of s--- to another.
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Of course you have to have a loading dock somewhere. When Bartle was first built it had two loading docks, the one referenced above and the other one on 14th St. Two docks were needed for various reasons (like one show using the hall on the north and the other show using a hall on the south). So where would you have put it?ComandanteCero wrote: The other issue is why there's a loading dock facing 12th street in the first place, but we'd have to take that up with the original architects of convention center.
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Underground like evil parking!aknowledgeableperson wrote: Of course you have to have a loading dock somewhere. When Bartle was first built it had two loading docks, the one referenced above and the other one on 14th St. Two docks were needed for various reasons (like one show using the hall on the north and the other show using a hall on the south). So where would you have put it?
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underground.
edit: yeah, what pumpkin said
edit: yeah, what pumpkin said
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Ok, now maybe we're all being a little to harsh. I agree that it could be better, but once all is said and done we're lucky just to have what we do have to disquise it just a little. I like it better than a blank wall, but hey, no hard feelings buddy. (nemesis)
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