Capping the Loop

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by Anthony_Hugo98 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:43 am

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And imo, it would actually improve the project overall. Linear parks form barriers, and breaking up the park space with some retail would tie the two neighborhoods together much more seamlessly and encourage more pedestrian flow. The park space is already divided up by the roads, and that limits the benefit you might otherwise get from having four blocks of contiguous park space.
Would you have this commercial block be on the east or west end? I agree that the natural flow would be much more effective if it were to contain commercial developments.
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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:29 am

Missouri doesn't allow commercial uses on (or above) their property, or at least that's what the city and consultants (HNTB) found when looking to add tax-generating uses on top of 670. In addition, adding buildings added weight (and, thus, cost) to the structures.

IMO it's the only reason to cap 670 is to add tax-generating uses. Just green space will only add a financial liability to the city's balance sheet because MoDOT won't have anything to do with maintaining it.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by shinatoo » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:35 am

Extend the convention space?
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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by Anthony_Hugo98 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:45 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:29 am
Missouri doesn't allow commercial uses on (or above) their property, or at least that's what the city and consultants (HNTB) found when looking to add tax-generating uses on top of 670. In addition, adding buildings added weight (and, thus, cost) to the structures
Is there any way we could change the policy, or get an exemption? I understand it would be larger upfront cost to have to build a larger structure to add buildings above, but if it would allow any return on investment wouldn't it negate the upfront cost?
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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by KCPowercat » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:27 am

If cordish wants to build a greenspace, let them!

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:18 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:29 am
Missouri doesn't allow commercial uses on (or above) their property, or at least that's what the city and consultants (HNTB) found...
Wouldn’t capping the loop including using Truman Rd South for building along with the land south of the highway? I thought the idea was to sell that land to use for the project. Truman would technically be city property, correct?

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by flyingember » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 am

beautyfromashes wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:18 am
DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:29 am
Missouri doesn't allow commercial uses on (or above) their property, or at least that's what the city and consultants (HNTB) found...
Wouldn’t capping the loop including using Truman Rd South for building along with the land south of the highway? I thought the idea was to sell that land to use for the project. Truman would technically be city property, correct?
The north side is heavily used by large trucks for the sprint center so there would be pushback on a two-way conversion.

I would think it would be better to keep them both one-way and take away a lane for a two-way cycle track on the south side.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by FangKC » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:36 pm

Why would two-way on the north side of 670 affect large trucks? The designs I've seen simply moved Truman Road south lanes to the north side of the interstate and ran them over part of the cap.

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Constructing buildings over an active interstate might get the kabosh from the Feds because of terrorism concerns.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by langosta » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:46 pm

^^ The UN is built over a highway.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by FangKC » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:24 pm

It was built before 9/11 though.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:13 pm

langosta wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:46 pm
^^ The UN is built over a highway.
Regardless, that's not a MoDOT highway.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by TheLastGentleman » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:27 pm

How old is this image? I've never seen it before
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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by flyingember » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:58 am

The Sprint Center is the wrong color and that's the old AT&T logo, so very old.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by FangKC » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:10 am

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The image was first posted here on April 15, 2010.

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