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Sorry, I’m going to bump this, even though it’s on the same page. I think there’s a middle ground between BAP being a raw plaza and being developed. I think the goal should be figuring out how it can be better internally into the convention complex. Maybe the overall footprint of the convention center could shrink if something more productive was included into BAP than just parking. This is another one of those projects that always seems on the verge of happening and then sputters out

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:04 pm I wish BAP could be more closely integrated with the rest of the convention center. Moscone Center in SF revolves around the lovely Yerba Buena Gardens, which are built over the great underground exhibition hall. It's all a very elegant urban convention center, compared to the horrific landscrapers most cities get.

The new designs of BAP always show the plaza descending down to grade in front of Municipal Auditorium. With its massive limestone wall, I think there should be a permanent "Art on the Mart" style projection show, like they have on the riverwalk in Chicago. It brings people out!

In the early seventies BAP was almost gone forever. Before Bartle Hall was built there was a proposal to build an exhibition hall over BAP. It would have extended over 13th and obliterated the north facade of Muni Auditorium.

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:48 pm In the early seventies BAP was almost gone forever. Before Bartle Hall was built there was a proposal to build an exhibition hall over BAP. It would have extended over 13th and obliterated the north facade of Muni Auditorium.

Also an idea that came about before they built over 670.

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:41 am The new designs of BAP always show the plaza descending down to grade in front of Municipal Auditorium. With its massive limestone wall, I think there should be a permanent "Art on the Mart" style projection show, like they have on the riverwalk in Chicago. It brings people out!

I like this idea.

smh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:17 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:41 am The new designs of BAP always show the plaza descending down to grade in front of Municipal Auditorium. With its massive limestone wall, I think there should be a permanent "Art on the Mart" style projection show, like they have on the riverwalk in Chicago. It brings people out!

I like this idea.

Not just for Municipal but for the side of Bartle also. The Denver Arts District is a good example of this. https://www.denvertheatredistrict.com/n ... s-upcoming

Perfect fit for a hotel/convention district where content can be created by various artist, cater to various themes depending on the events at either venue, and events can run late in the plaza without disturbing residents. Municipal and Bartel would be easy to pull off with their flat facades. I've done way more complicated projects.

Certainly something that should be discussed for the park deck over 670.

Certainly would complement the light show on the Marriott.

Presented at today's Finance committee. https://clerk.kcmo.gov/LegislationDetai ... s=&Search=

Thats an aggressive timeline. Din't know they were that far along.

No fountain? Always been a fountain at BAP.

Projection mapping would be so great on that Memorial Auditorium facade.

They need to have a fountain. I've always liked the long cascading fountain along 12th Street.

Does $119m seem like an astronomical number, or no?

smh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:28 am Does $119m seem like an astronomical number, or no?

For a parking garage alone yes… but they also have to demo an existing garage while keeping the streets, buildings, and sub-grade infra around them intact. Then they have to backfill up to the new parking level. Top it all off with a new park with tech and foundations strong enough for a future tower.

Underground construction is always crazy expensive

Is it still underground if it's already dug up?

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:01 am Is it still underground if it's already dug up?

Will still have to stabilize the walls around BAP as you demo down / build back up.

It was more a joke. Yeah definitely more complexities with this than a platform garage.

Also having an uneven landscaped park as the roof likely adds a lot. It will be similar to the Kauffman Center’s garage, which was very expensive IIRC