Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza

[langosta]

Would some of these public properties be better off to just be sold to someone who would run them well? The Music hall and Municipal seem really dated and they should have so many more events than they do right now.

We really really really need a big overhaul of the convention center complex as a whole.

[TheLastGentleman]

Please don’t privatize historic public assets

[GRID]

Here are some high quality renderings, and new perspectives, of the Copaken, CBC, and Brinshore apartment building component
https://www.copaken-brooks.com/barney-allis/

The Copaken link is dead. Is this project supposed to break ground soon or was this just an idea?

[beautyfromashes]

I still want to turn that ugly convention center roof into a High Line-style park. No way anyone wants to live on the west side of this building facing the convention center. I would have made the entire BAP into highrise apartments except for a small strip in front of the Music Hall that bridge/ramps up to the top of the convention center where there would be a park/walking trail/raised bed garden/etc. The whole thing.

[trailerkid]

I still want to turn that ugly convention center roof into a High Line-style park. No way anyone wants to live on the west side of this building facing the convention center. I would have made the entire BAP into highrise apartments except for a small strip in front of the Music Hall that bridge/ramps up to the top of the convention center where there would be a park/walking trail/raised bed garden/etc. The whole thing.

What a visionary idea to have a park on top of Bartle Hall! I think you'd need to close the facility for a few years to rebuild the roof.

Reminds me of Salesforce Park in SF on top of its transit center:

[langosta]

You would need to rebuild the convention center and rebuild as a facility with columns making it unmarketable

[beautyfromashes]

You would need to rebuild the convention center and rebuild as a facility with columns making it unmarketable

Nope. Already partially supported by cables. Would just need stronger, and probably more cabling.

[FangKC]

Jacob Javits Convention Center, New York, NY

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Javi ... 11smbksr7c

[Highlander]

Here are some high quality renderings, and new perspectives, of the Copaken, CBC, and Brinshore apartment building component
https://www.copaken-brooks.com/barney-allis/

The Copaken link is dead. Is this project supposed to break ground soon or was this just an idea?

Someone in another thread had suggested that this project may break ground in late 2023/early 2024? I've heard absolutely nothing about this for quite some time? Is it as dead as the Lux Living high rise? I had high hopes for a revived BAP several months ago when it looked like both projects could go forward.

[GRID]

I also take it the office tower and re-opening of the original Muehlebach Tower into apartments is dead? Did the Aladdin Hotel ever reopen?

[dukuboy1]

Most projects it appears are DOA currently. Whether they are mid-stream or yet to break ground. Really hope ease in interest rates help bring some things back online. But certainly seems the developers on these KC projects are always one step away from insolvency.

[Highlander]

I also take it the office tower and re-opening of the original Muehlebach Tower into apartments is dead? Did the Aladdin Hotel ever reopen?

I don't believe the Aladdin is open but I'm not sure. There is no hotel entity listed at that location on Google Maps. The hotel closed in 2020. The building sold in 2021 with intent of redevelopment but I think I saw somewhere that it was for sale again earlier this year.

[TheLastGentleman]

Aladdin is definitely still closed.

I’ve heard there are construction documents for the new BAP out

[KCPowercat]

The mulebach is dead if I remember what I heard right. The splitting up of the property with the Marriott ended up being more complex and undoable if I remember right.

[GRID]

The mulebach is dead if I remember what I heard right. The splitting up of the property with the Marriott ended up being more complex and undoable if I remember right.

Well then maybe they can move their efforts over to the other site where the office tower was going to go and build something similar to what Lux Living was going to build a block away. The office tower will never happen now, so change it up and build what will work.

It seems like nearly every project in KC has either been stalled or canceled and even the ones that have broken ground are in jeopardy right now of being finished. Get something going while little is going up and be some of the only new construction to break ground in 2024.

[FangKC]

It's interest rates. These projects don't pencil out at higher borrowing costs. Kansas City still cannot demand enough rent per sq. foot for new construction unless interest rates are cheaper.

[TheLastGentleman]

Muehlebach needs to reopen as a hotel. It’s more of a stereotypical historic NYC hotel than anything in NYC at this point. Should be our most famous hotel.

Marriott runs historic properties, so why not reopen it as one of their boutique historic style properties? It can still be interconnected to the rest of the marriott complex if need be, please just get some human life in there

[atticus23]

Muehlebach needs to reopen as a hotel. It’s more of a stereotypical historic NYC hotel than anything in NYC at this point. Should be our most famous hotel.

Marriott runs historic properties, so why not reopen it as one of their boutique historic style properties? It can still be interconnected to the rest of the marriott complex if need be, please just get some human life in there

I wonder how feasible this really is?

[langosta]

Muehlebach needs to reopen as a hotel. It’s more of a stereotypical historic NYC hotel than anything in NYC at this point. Should be our most famous hotel.

Marriott runs historic properties, so why not reopen it as one of their boutique historic style properties? It can still be interconnected to the rest of the marriott complex if need be, please just get some human life in there

I wonder how feasible this really is?

*Marriott gets paid a license fee by hotel owners who may or may not make an operating profit* the more luxurious or historic properties are often not the ones with high NOI

[TheLastGentleman]

*Marriott gets paid a license fee by hotel owners who may or may not make an operating profit* the more luxurious or historic properties are often not the ones with high NOI

Does Marriott not own the Muehlebach hotel building?