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A news release from the Jackson County Family Court said the juveniles were charged Thursday and are being detained in the county's Juvenile Detention Center "on gun-related and resisting arrest charges." The release said it is "anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

AllThingsKC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:18 pm [Insert obligatory political post to support ideology here]

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:24 pm Will any possible future victory celebration occur only inside secure Arrowhead ? Hate that we are having to think about retreating to fortresses.

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:24 pm Will any possible future victory celebration occur only inside secure Arrowhead ? Hate that we are having to think about retreating to fortresses.

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:05 am

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:24 pm Will any possible future victory celebration occur only inside secure Arrowhead ? Hate that we are having to think about retreating to fortresses.

Mayor already has stated that St. Patrick’s day parade is still going ahead as planned. Unless the Chiefs or NFL decide that security would be better for the Brand, I doubt that’s abandon the Parades in favor of a stadium celebration.

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:05 am

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:24 pm Will any possible future victory celebration occur only inside secure Arrowhead ? Hate that we are having to think about retreating to fortresses.

Mayor already has stated that St. Patrick’s day parade is still going ahead as planned. Unless the Chiefs or NFL decide that security would be better for the Brand, I doubt that’s abandon the Parades in favor of a stadium celebration.

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:32 am

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:05 am

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:24 pm Will any possible future victory celebration occur only inside secure Arrowhead ? Hate that we are having to think about retreating to fortresses.

Mayor already has stated that St. Patrick’s day parade is still going ahead as planned. Unless the Chiefs or NFL decide that security would be better for the Brand, I doubt that’s abandon the Parades in favor of a stadium celebration.

what about checkpoints near the state at Union Station or parade route?

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:40 am

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:32 am

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:05 am
Mayor already has stated that St. Patrick’s day parade is still going ahead as planned. Unless the Chiefs or NFL decide that security would be better for the Brand, I doubt that’s abandon the Parades in favor of a stadium celebration.

what about checkpoints near the state at Union Station or parade route?

Far too difficult to implement security checkpoints when an event is drawing hundreds of thousands over a mile+ of area. To be a truly secure event, you’d need to vacate all buildings during these events on the parade route. We shouldn’t lock ourselves up and away because of this tragedy. We can come together and move on, but if we want a secure environment for large events like this, it has to go far beyond reason and get extremely difficult to implement adequately.

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:27 am

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:40 am

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:32 am

what about checkpoints near the state at Union Station or parade route?

Far too difficult to implement security checkpoints when an event is drawing hundreds of thousands over a mile+ of area. To be a truly secure event, you’d need to vacate all buildings during these events on the parade route. We shouldn’t lock ourselves up and away because of this tragedy. We can come together and move on, but if we want a secure environment for large events like this, it has to go far beyond reason and get extremely difficult to implement adequately.

to have something truly secure would mean staying holed up like the early days of the pandemic?

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:33 am

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:27 am

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:40 am

Far too difficult to implement security checkpoints when an event is drawing hundreds of thousands over a mile+ of area. To be a truly secure event, you’d need to vacate all buildings during these events on the parade route. We shouldn’t lock ourselves up and away because of this tragedy. We can come together and move on, but if we want a secure environment for large events like this, it has to go far beyond reason and get extremely difficult to implement adequately.

to have something truly secure would mean staying holed up like the early days of the pandemic?

No because that was a health issue with the issue of staying home thrown onto the public by a clueless government. And it didn’t work very well either. Infections still skyrocketed, homicides spiked because more victims were sitting ducks rather than being on the move, and (unless you were in California, New York, Europe, and Asia) it was entirely voluntary to stay home with no heavy hand of the government to step in and say otherwise. The two aren’t comparable.

So… no checkpoints for victory parades and other large events (super rare) like this. As I said, it would be far too difficult to implement.

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:40 am

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:32 am

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:05 am
Mayor already has stated that St. Patrick’s day parade is still going ahead as planned. Unless the Chiefs or NFL decide that security would be better for the Brand, I doubt that’s abandon the Parades in favor of a stadium celebration.

what about checkpoints near the state at Union Station or parade route?

Far too difficult to implement security checkpoints when an event is drawing hundreds of thousands over a mile+ of area. To be a truly secure event, you’d need to vacate all buildings during these events on the parade route. We shouldn’t lock ourselves up and away because of this tragedy. We can come together and move on, but if we want a secure environment for large events like this, it has to go far beyond reason and get extremely difficult to implement adequately.

Highlander wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:58 pm

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:40 am

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:32 am

what about checkpoints near the state at Union Station or parade route?

Far too difficult to implement security checkpoints when an event is drawing hundreds of thousands over a mile+ of area. To be a truly secure event, you’d need to vacate all buildings during these events on the parade route. We shouldn’t lock ourselves up and away because of this tragedy. We can come together and move on, but if we want a secure environment for large events like this, it has to go far beyond reason and get extremely difficult to implement adequately.

This is exactly right. You could do something like what the NFL did for the draft but that was a relatively small area and event in comparison. A parade route would be almost impossible to secure and with that number of people trying to pass through a limited number of checkpoints, it would have been almost impossible. Plus who is to say that the altercation that started the shooting would not have happened in the checkpoint line.

The shooters were not trying to kill people, just each other, it could have happened anywhere on the way to the event or on the way out, there were plenty of potential innocent bystanders everywhere.

I've watched this discussion evolve on the national sporting talk shows with some pundits suggesting this would be the last open air parade for super bowl champions and that the NFL would push teams to have them in stadiums with far fewer people in the future. I hope it doesn't come to that.

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:13 pm they still had parades after the 1993 Cowboys Parade

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:19 pm

Highlander wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:58 pm
I've watched this discussion evolve on the national sporting talk shows with some pundits suggesting this would be the last open air parade for super bowl champions and that the NFL would push teams to have them in stadiums with far fewer people in the future. I hope it doesn't come to that.

if the have the celebrations at stadiums/arenas, who gets to come? STMs?

Highlander wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:11 pm

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:13 pm they still had parades after the 1993 Cowboys Parade

A different era. Mass shootings had not become so commonplace and were not the subject of an intense national discussion in 1993.

ericwyner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:19 pm

Highlander wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:58 pm
I've watched this discussion evolve on the national sporting talk shows with some pundits suggesting this would be the last open air parade for super bowl champions and that the NFL would push teams to have them in stadiums with far fewer people in the future. I hope it doesn't come to that.

if the have the celebrations at stadiums/arenas, who gets to come? STMs?

Who knows? It hasn't come to that yet and hopefully never will. But I do remember the security around the NFL draft being what I felt at the time was a little over the top. That's the NFL, they are very risk averse. Can they dictate how a city celebrates after a championship?