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Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:18 am
by Anthony_Hugo98
https://cityscenekc.com/office-tower-pr ... tcar-stop/
Good write up by Kevin, don’t understand why so much parking is necessary on the streetcar line, but I digress.
Re: Crown Center: urban disaster, shining star, or in-between
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:27 am
by moderne
Who is the architect? Sandwiched between 2 Harry Cobb buildings, too bad he passed away last year.
Re: Crown Center: urban disaster, shining star, or in-between
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:44 am
by normalthings
moderne wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:27 am
Who is the architect? Sandwiched between 2 Harry Cobb buildings, too bad he passed away last year.
BNIM. Rendering has a logo that says P&L. I hope that means nothing. Rendering appears to show that much of the groundfloor along main street is tenant or retail space.
I think this is the same project we started hearing about in October 2019.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:55 am
by FangKC
The application states the building would be six levels of office space, about 154,000 square feet, above a multi-level, 400-space garage. The garage would be available after work hours and weekends to the public.
Why would the public need to park around there on the weekend or in the evening?
Aren't there maybe two events at CC that might ever require extra parking?
Re: Crown Center: urban disaster, shining star, or in-between
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:58 am
by KCtoBrooklyn
BNIM. Rendering has a logo that says P&L. I hope that means nothing.
KCP&L doesn't exist anymore (now Evergy).
I don't know if there is a higher resolution version of that somewhere, but it looks like it could be PSL. The Party for Socialism and Liberation may finally be getting their own headquarters building in KC - right across from the Federal Reserve. Or Pumpkin Spice Late may have incorporated.
But it probably says FSL - Fidelity Security Life Insurance - headquartered nearby on Broadway off 31st St.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:01 am
by KCtoBrooklyn
Streetcar park and ride?
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:04 am
by KCPowercat
FangKC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:55 am
The application states the building would be six levels of office space, about 154,000 square feet, above a multi-level, 400-space garage. The garage would be available after work hours and weekends to the public.
Why would the public need to park around there on the weekend or in the evening?
Aren't there maybe two events at CC that might ever require extra parking?
I think this has become boilerplate language when s garage gets public help. Needed or not.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 am
by smh
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:04 am
FangKC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:55 am
The application states the building would be six levels of office space, about 154,000 square feet, above a multi-level, 400-space garage. The garage would be available after work hours and weekends to the public.
Why would the public need to park around there on the weekend or in the evening?
Aren't there maybe two events at CC that might ever require extra parking?
I think this has become boilerplate language when s garage gets public help. Needed or not.
Yep.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:15 am
by normalthings
2.985 spaces per 1,000 sqft. I think that’s average or below average for downtown.
Vantrust’s downtown office proposal, for example, has 4 spaces per 1,000 sqft.
this is the project that I hinted at last week. Can't share details yet but is a lot more urban than these basic drawings make it out to be.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:22 am
by smh
It's frustrating because the city is continually asked to provide incentives for projects, which typically means pay for the parking. In return, the city asks very little, if anything. For example, this building does not appear to address the street. It instead continues the southern Crown Center tradition of looking like something you'd find in Corporate Woods. If the city is incentivizing the project, it should ask that the building address the street rather than the motor court. a simple change like that would enhance the streetscape and get us on the way to continuing the walkable node found further north around Pershing and Grand.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:24 am
by normalthings
smh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:22 am
It's frustrating because the city is continually asked to provide incentives for projects, which typically means pay for the parking. In return, the city asks very little, if anything. For example, this building does not appear to address the street. It instead continues the southern Crown Center tradition of looking like something you'd find in Corporate Woods. If the city is incentivizing the project, it should ask that the building address the street rather than the motor court. a simple change like that would enhance the streetscape and get us on the way to continuing the walkable node found further north around Pershing and Grand.
These are sketch renderings. The plan tries to addresses both streets. I think that it does it pretty well or at least a lot better than WR or these sketch renderings make it seem. Even with these low quality renderings, you can see that almost the entire groundfloor along main is retail space and not garage.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:38 am
by smh
normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:24 am
smh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:22 am
It's frustrating because the city is continually asked to provide incentives for projects, which typically means pay for the parking. In return, the city asks very little, if anything. For example, this building does not appear to address the street. It instead continues the southern Crown Center tradition of looking like something you'd find in Corporate Woods. If the city is incentivizing the project, it should ask that the building address the street rather than the motor court. a simple change like that would enhance the streetscape and get us on the way to continuing the walkable node found further north around Pershing and Grand.
These are sketch renderings. The plan tries to addresses both streets. I think that it does it pretty well or at least a lot better than WR or these sketch renderings make it seem. Even with these low quality renderings, you can see that almost the entire groundfloor along main is retail space and not garage.
I'm not getting that sense from the drawings, but agree they're sketches. So TBD. But it strikes me much more like the 2600 building than, say, the base of the Lathrop building (still not a perfect example).
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:05 pm
by missingkc
Why not position the building on the lot so there's room for another building or buildings? Why the park setting?
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:12 pm
by normalthings
missingkc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:05 pm
Why not position the building on the lot so there's room for another building or buildings? Why the park setting?
There is ample space for a building to the South. The circle drive is roughly the middle of the parcel. Maybe a contiguous 40% of the parcel will be left to develop. The building will pretty much be at the main street property line.
Certainly, some aspects of the project can be approved.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:15 pm
by Critical_Mass
missingkc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:05 pm
Why not position the building on the lot so there's room for another building or buildings? Why the park setting?
As shown, it is a huge waste of space especially considering there is already a massive un-utilized green space for a sculpture directly across 27th St to the north. This would make both sides of 27th at Main big expansive lawns right at the future streetcar stop.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:19 pm
by FangKC
So is the plan to build new structures on both sides of this building in the grassy areas?
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:28 pm
by DaveKCMO
Critical_Mass wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:15 pm
missingkc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:05 pm
Why not position the building on the lot so there's room for another building or buildings? Why the park setting?
As shown, it is a huge waste of space especially considering there is already a massive un-utilized green space for a sculpture directly across 27th St to the north. This would make both sides of 27th at Main big expansive lawns right at the future streetcar stop.
And one of the biggest parks in the city across the street. This area does NOT need more dead green space.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:31 pm
by GRID
This is interesting. Crown Center does not build unless they have a tenant especially with what is going on now with the office market, so somebody must be moving into this building. The suburban design is kind of silly though. Hopefully that is improved.
Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:37 pm
by normalthings
FangKC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:19 pm
So is the plan to build new structures on both sides of this building in the grassy areas?
I am not sure what they are supposed to do instead of leaving a green space or park. Surface lot?
Re: Crown Center: urban disaster, shining star, or in-between
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:44 pm
by GRID
This view looks decent, but what will the view from the south look like with the garage front and center? This will become a very prominent building as you go north on main and the crown center and downtown skyline comes into view. Hopefully the view is not mostly a parking garage.